tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post8931450617383146680..comments2024-03-25T10:44:07.766-04:00Comments on LES FEMMES - THE TRUTH: The SSPX is NOT in Schism! Stop Already the Ignorant Accusations!Mary Ann Kreitzerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18245237845099708478noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-44881606968973592732021-07-30T11:08:42.182-04:002021-07-30T11:08:42.182-04:00I've found this exchange interesting, but I th...I've found this exchange interesting, but I think you've both pretty much had your say so I'm closing comments. Feel free to comment on other posts. I love intelligent discussion, but please don't take this and start again on an unrelated post. Blessings to you both. We will all know the answer one day to whether Francis was pope or anti-pope.Mary Ann Kreitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245237845099708478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-83808201921987321292021-07-30T08:57:05.803-04:002021-07-30T08:57:05.803-04:00(On to May 2013)…Unpleasant but Necessary Piece on...(On to May 2013)…Unpleasant but Necessary Piece on Pope Francis 1<br />In the continued spirit of fulfilling my apparent vocation of being the person who faces and then clearly explains the unpleasantries of life, let’s have a little talk about Pope Francis.<br /><br />Unpleasant but Necessary Piece on Pope Francis 2<br /><br />Does this all mean that everything Pope Francis says is wrong? Of Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-37591479745470375482021-07-30T08:56:55.716-04:002021-07-30T08:56:55.716-04:00If Ms Ann continued to tolerate Pope Francis she w...If Ms Ann continued to tolerate Pope Francis she would never have claimed he wasn't Pope because of a bad resignation by Benedict XVI - and it took her a LONG time to come up with that doozy because she personally got sick of Francis.<br /><br />That is, she tolerated the two popes because she was jake with Francis for a LONG time.<br /><br />Here are some copy and pastes form her blog in Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-84047641965146007662021-07-29T21:16:34.673-04:002021-07-29T21:16:34.673-04:00ABS: Yes, Benedict XVI was accepted as Pope April...ABS: Yes, Benedict XVI was accepted as Pope April 19, 2005. I agree, it is not permitted to raise doubts as to his legitimacy.<br /><br />The word of Christ, Sacred Tradition and Canon Law demands he either die or resign his Office before a Conclave can be called and a new Pope can be elected to replace him. It is not permissible to have two Popes. Pope Benedict XVI is infallibly the Pope Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-13302066560893755462021-07-29T17:45:29.817-04:002021-07-29T17:45:29.817-04:00Dear Aqua. Sorry. Your source for that false claim...Dear Aqua. Sorry. Your source for that false claim knows not of what she speaks.<br /><br /><br /><b>“From the moment in which the Pope is accepted by the Church and united to her as the head to the bodyit is no longer permitted to raise doubts about a possible vice of election or a possible lack of any condition whatsoever necessary for legitimacy. For the aforementioned adhesion of the Church Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-5630888156046462412021-07-29T14:19:59.850-04:002021-07-29T14:19:59.850-04:00ABS: You never address the central issues of Cano...ABS: You never address the central issues of Canon 332.2. You remain on your circular fallacy train.<br /><br />1: He is required by the canon to specifically resign the Munus. He specifically, carefully, precisely did not. He resigned the Ministerium. YOU say it is the same (or equivalent) as Munus. The Pope never said that. So - he has the Munus, and only one living man can, by the Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-69425710087636508962021-07-29T11:38:26.480-04:002021-07-29T11:38:26.480-04:00Dear Mary ANN. ABS keeps thinking he has reached t...Dear Mary ANN. ABS keeps thinking he has reached the end but he hasn't so he is collecting links at his crummy blog<br /><br /><br />“DOGMATIC FACTS. A dogmatic fact is one that has not been revealed, yet is so intimately connected with a doctrine of faith that without certain knowledge of the fact there can be no certain knowledge of the doctrine. For example, was the [First] Vatican CouncilMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-26627357203139568132021-07-29T07:45:37.341-04:002021-07-29T07:45:37.341-04:00Dear Mary Ann. ABS is acting like the press secret...Dear Mary Ann. ABS is acting like the press secretary Psaki, circling back :)<br /><br />But, he did want to try and settle some lingering doubts and confusion.<br /><br />It was Ms. Ann who first began the denial that Francis is Pope, not Brother Bugnolo:<br /><br />https://gloria.tv/post/bNyYtxaX3q8B29KcC7RkRhqYg<br /><br />These links have to do with both Barnhardt and Bugnolo and how they Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-2847981769505558392021-07-29T07:20:24.358-04:002021-07-29T07:20:24.358-04:00Here is a link to the Holy See website with the fo...Here is a link to the Holy See website with the former Pope’s resignation in English.<br /><br />Yeah, he resigned entirely and did not retain any part of the Papacy<br /><br /><br />https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2013/february/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20130211_declaratio.html<br /><br />Here is an explanation of how Ms. Ann is mistaken in her claim of substantial error.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-34667179867650099112021-07-28T17:54:48.347-04:002021-07-28T17:54:48.347-04:00Another point that is often missed, in the focus o...Another point that is often missed, in the focus on Canon Code 332.2's "manifest" language is the Canon's specific requirement also to renounce the "Munus".<br /><br />"§2. If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office, it is required for validity that the resignation is made freely and properly manifested but not that it is accepted by anyone."<br Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-22492390625927665552021-07-28T17:22:36.141-04:002021-07-28T17:22:36.141-04:00Dear Aqua. OK, you win:)
ABS is not sure what it ...Dear Aqua. OK, you win:)<br /><br />ABS is not sure what it is you have to show for your "win" but you "win" by never conceding you are wrong even though the man you claim retained part of the Papacy has said, several times publicly, that he resigned fully and that Francis is fully Pope but you insist otherwise and so you win :)<br /><br />There is is no skin off the nose of Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-56846543503088343372021-07-28T11:14:43.796-04:002021-07-28T11:14:43.796-04:00@ABS: And you, in turn, are unable to answer how ...@ABS: And you, in turn, are unable to answer how a Pope who remains Pope has properly manifested his resignation as Pope.<br /><br />He retained the Munus in his *partial* resignation of the Bishop (See) of Rome and remains now and forever within the enclosure of St. Peter and remains visibly and quantifiably within the Vatican as His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. And so we have a Bishop In WhiteAquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-37866699679932232152021-07-28T08:24:00.453-04:002021-07-28T08:24:00.453-04:00Dear Aqua. You are unable to separate the legitima...Dear Aqua. You are unable to separate the legitimate resignation of the former Pope from the actions of Bergoglio.<br /><br />Sad. <br /><br />Obviously, as Supreme Legislator, Pope Benedict XVI was the competent authority who knew his resignation was legitimate, valid and in compliance with/in synch with all relevant Canons. <br /><br />Ms Ann Barnhardt claims otherwise but she has no competenceMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-74575976845341066862021-07-27T19:31:59.777-04:002021-07-27T19:31:59.777-04:00ABS:
“ What Canon Law says that must be done?”
T...ABS:<br /><br />“ What Canon Law says that must be done?”<br /><br />The Canon Law you quoted above - “to be valid … properly manifested”<br /><br />Perhaps a definition will help you:<br /><br />Manifest (verb): display or show by one's acts or appearance; demonstrate<br /><br />Remaining as Pope does not properly manifest resignation from Pope just because Pope says so.<br /><br />Btw, theAquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-91855099774611204262021-07-27T11:49:36.366-04:002021-07-27T11:49:36.366-04:00Dear Mary Ann. In submitting their Dubia to Pope F...Dear Mary Ann. In submitting their Dubia to Pope Francis the four Cardinals made this crystal clear pronouncement:<br /><br /><i>We wish to begin by renewing our absolute dedication and our unconditional love for the Chair of Peter and for Your august person, in whom we recognize the Successor of Peter and the Vicar of Jesus: the “sweet Christ on earth,” as Saint Catherine of Siena was fond of Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-3103500727372108172021-07-26T17:33:43.774-04:002021-07-26T17:33:43.774-04:00.
Properly manifested means he resigns the Office....<br /><br />Properly manifested means he resigns the Office and goes away forever - Father Ratzinger living in Bavaria.<br /><br /> <i> What Cann Law says that must be done?</i><br /><br />IMproperly manifested means he keeps the Office and resigns the ministry and stays within the enclosure of St. Peter for all eternity - His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI living in the Vatican.<br /><br /><i> ThatMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-13452704554876895452021-07-26T17:12:08.978-04:002021-07-26T17:12:08.978-04:00Your premise is that the “First See is judged by n...<i>Your premise is that the “First See is judged by no one”, and that the First See has fully manifested a resignation from the Papacy, all subsequent acts rendered valid and legitimate, the Pachamama Pope who hates the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is rendered legitimate of our obedience thereby. </i><br /><br />No, that is not my premise.<br /><br />It is a Canon Law the Pope is judged by nobody Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-1351013583280697122021-07-26T11:46:16.385-04:002021-07-26T11:46:16.385-04:00I'm finding this back and forth between Aqua a...I'm finding this back and forth between Aqua and ABS very interesting. And I thank you both for your civility. You demonstrate Socratic argument and I'm grateful to see that on any social media outlets. It's pretty darn rare. You are both to be commended. Mary Ann Kreitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245237845099708478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-24598361658934200942021-07-26T08:52:11.142-04:002021-07-26T08:52:11.142-04:00@ABS
Your premise is that the “First See is judge...@ABS<br /><br />Your premise is that the “First See is judged by no one”, and that the First See has fully manifested a resignation from the Papacy, all subsequent acts rendered valid and legitimate, the Pachamama Pope who hates the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is rendered legitimate of our obedience thereby. <br /><br />Again, your premise is flawed and all subsequent conclusions are thereby Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-46208268151534467402021-07-26T07:40:59.702-04:002021-07-26T07:40:59.702-04:00ABS:
You must have liked what you wrote, since yo...ABS:<br /><br />You must have liked what you wrote, since you copied and pasted it to at least one other blog. <br /><br />FYI: quoting from Canon Law does not by definition mean Canon Law supports your argument. Your references to them make zero sense.<br /><br />My response - copied and pasted from the other blog …<br /><br />“@ ABS<br /><br />332§2. If it happens that the Roman Pontiff Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-86184822085322559072021-07-26T07:38:59.981-04:002021-07-26T07:38:59.981-04:00Here is one last attempt to cast a light on the di...Here is one last attempt to cast a light on the diabolical darkness of the novelty that Catholic laity should engage in AgitProp to judge a Pope guilty over some putative canonical irregularity and then demand he be tried.<br /><br /> Can. 1404 The First See is judged by no one.<br /><br /><i> God perchance has willed to terminate the causes of other men by means of men; but the prelate of that [Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-15985808919382417802021-07-25T17:14:02.278-04:002021-07-25T17:14:02.278-04:00Dear Mary Ann
The use of fiddy is a reference to ...Dear Mary Ann<br /><br />The use of fiddy is a reference to a rapper who proneness fifty fiddy<br /><br />Lieutenant Weinberg refers to A Few Good Men and the testimony of Colonel Jessup.<br /><br />The DOA refers to the disciples of Ann Barnhardt<br /><br />Outside 0f those references, the post makes sense because Benedict XVI was The Supreme Legislator at the time of his resignationMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-9744973241762362892021-07-25T07:51:17.219-04:002021-07-25T07:51:17.219-04:00Hi ABS, I think your comment would be more intelli...Hi ABS, I think your comment would be more intelligible if you fix the typos and re-comment. I can't edit comments. I can only post or not post. If you want to re-comment I'll delete this one and post the update.Am I missing something? Who's Lieutenant Weinberg?Mary Ann Kreitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245237845099708478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-4332231359580365732021-07-25T07:43:24.487-04:002021-07-25T07:43:24.487-04:00Dear Marty Ann. This may be helpful for some of yo...Dear Marty Ann. This may be helpful for some of your readers.<br /><br />Benedict XVI is not Pope. Francis is the Pope<br /><br /> Can. 16 §1. The legislator authentically interprets laws as does the one to whom the same legislator has entrusted the power of authentically interpreting.<br /><br />In The Catholic Church, the Pope is the Supreme Legislator, thus, it is canonically ineluctable that Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8568419039847692717.post-84447551729201977682021-07-21T09:13:14.015-04:002021-07-21T09:13:14.015-04:00I found this link within the above text very helpf...I found this link within the above text very helpful: “Catholic principles - some texts as guiding principles in today's crisis”.<br /><br />http://archives.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/catholic_principles.htm#p9<br /><br />Especially important to the topic at hand is #9 (again, with footnotes from the Magisterium - always a sign of fidelity)<br /><br />9. Bad Laws Are Not Laws<br /><br />“If, then, Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.com