The pope's statement reminds me of the pro-abortion people who called pregnancy a disease. They hated the babies. Pope Francis appears to hate what the Church celebrated for over 1500 years! It's like a person who repudiates his family and all his ancestors because he's embarrassed by their language and customs. So sad!
Pope Francis again gives his reasons for #TraditionisCustodes in a meeting with Jesuits in Hungary, April 29, saying it was to stop “indietrismo” — going backwards “in an ideological way.” The contents of the meeting were published today by @civcatt https://t.co/wlTMmXGvy1 pic.twitter.com/ZrfE2wYtMS
— Edward Pentin (@EdwardPentin) May 9, 2023
They're doing to you what they did to Nestorius and Pelagius. You represent yhe old orthodoxy which is now heresy. This is what the Catholic church has always done. Happens every century. They did it also to the Gallicans with Vatican I. And it is totally just. The Pope has the right to do this! He is the Pope, not you! Cease your schism and anathemetize the Latin mass!
ReplyDeleteHow does the new mass differ from the old? Its all the same, right? Right?
ReplyDeleteThe new mass is as different from the old as night is from day. The new Mass protestantizes and desanctifies the Mass.
DeleteI've never seen a Protestant service that looks anything like the novus ordo mass.
DeleteThe Lutheran (Missouri Synod) is very close to the new mass.
DeleteNo, Father, the pope has the duty to defend the faith and Sacred Tradition. He does not have the authority to appoint a wrecking crew to rewrite Scripture, appoint enemies of the faith to important Vatican positions, and constantly insult the faithful -- you know the sheep he claims to love.
ReplyDeleteYour comment makes me wonder where you went to seminary because you don't appear to have very good formation.
One thing about discourse with a Modernist is that you quickly lose your bearings and are disoriented from the one, true Faith; right and wrong; true and false; reality and dystopia.
ReplyDelete"What in the world are you even talking about"!? I thought, after reading "Fr." Abbruzzese's comment above.
"What in the world are you even talking about"!? I thought after reading "Pope" Francis' answer to a question.
Bergoglio uses Hebrews 10:39, using the Protestant method of taking a verse out of context and applying the words that remain to prove the precisely opposite point of that intended by the author, St. Paul.
St. Paul writes the verse as an exhortation to persever in the Faith, do not shrink back under trials and tribulation - you have the fullness of the Faith (already, 2,000 years ago, it was possessed in all its fullness and perfection), persever and do not go back. Stay true to the Faith, even at the cost of your life.
Bergoglio draws a different conclusion. "Don't go back" to him means the exact opposite. Abandon the Faith. Do not persevere in that which was delivered to you. What came before is dead. What is next is all that there is. The only thing alive is the future. Stay true to the "faith" which is whatever we choose to do next.
You read that paragraph of his and it is literally disorienting. Because it is based on a fundamental lie about Scripture.
You read that sentence of "Fr" Abbruzzese's and it is similarly disorienting - orthodoxy is heresy; nothing stays the same in Sacred Tradition - by definition, Sacred Tradition is always changing; if it is not changing, then it is not Sacred or Tradition; change, change, change - that is the Catholic Faith.
And I think I have come to the firm conclusion that it is as dangerous to engage with a Modernist as it is to engage with demons - because the techniques they use are likely similar: lies, upon lies using the language of light. How in the world is one supposed to respond to such insanity as that contained in Bergoglio's answer about "holding on to the Faith means giving up the Faith"? Or Abbruzzese's statement that orthodoxy is heresy?
At some point, and I have reached it, you realize that to continue to engage in conversation with such as these is an occasion of sin, demoralizing at the the most basic level of the Faith.
Matt 10:14
"North is still North, even in a hurricane" ... but that doesn't mean I need to go driving around looking for hurricanes to get caught up in to test the theory.
Excellent response.
Delete@Anonymous "How does the new mass differ from the old, right? Right?"
ReplyDeleteWell, therein lies the question. Those that do not understand the differences, and/or can't be bothered to figure them out, are the ones that defend the new Mass vehemently and attack Catholics. Those that do understand the differences end up defending the Vetus Ordo and remaining Catholic.
@Mary Ann I highly doubt that Fr Abbruzzese is a real Catholic priest, actually, I highly doubt Fr Abbruzzese is Catholic.
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ReplyDeleteThe vetus ordo does not name the Pope audibly.
ReplyDeleteSo that lets you ignore that a heretic is pope or what?
DeleteFr Abruzzese, are you the Fr Abruzzese from Providence, RI? I hope not.
ReplyDeleteVatican I says the Pope is infallible, so he must have a good and infallible reason for banning the traditional Latin mass. Its uncharitable and uncatholic to question the Holy Father.
ReplyDeleteFr. Alvarez,
ReplyDeleteWas the pope infallible when he allowed the worship of the pagan idol pachamama a few years ago?
The pope is only infallible when he speaks ex cathedra regarding dogma and teachings. Obviously many of Bergolio’s actions are neither dogmatic, nor Catholic ergo not infallible.
ReplyDeleteCatechist Kev:
ReplyDeleteThis verse came to mind when I read your comment:
I’ll draw my conclusion at the beginning, in case anyone is not inclined to read this crucial oath between God and the King of Israel: like all other oaths between God and His Chosen People, it involves a this/that - blessings if you follow Me/damnation if you separate from Me.
This is the story of the OT in a nutshell, culminating in final damnation, chosen by Israel at Calvary.
Does anyone think this promise applies any less to us than them? No. God has granted a testing. Fatima was a generous warning of our condition. Our reward is how we respond.
“14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.
16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
17 And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments;
18 Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel.
19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
20 Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.
21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the Lord done thus unto this land, and unto this house?
22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.
(II Chronicles 7:14-22)
Right on target, Mister/Miss aqua. Well said!
DeleteFr Alvarez is a non-Christian bot
ReplyDeleteYou deny that Mary appeared to the aboriginals as Pacahama?
DeleteAnonymous said: "The Lutheran (Missouri Synod) is very close to the new mass."
ReplyDeleteThis is true. Before I became Catholic, I tried Lutheran, Missouri Synod because they were the most conservative, but then they started hiring women "priests" - even then I knew *that* was a non-starter. But in general, from memory, they are pretty close to NuMass. Depressing.
I am sure this is the central feature, not a bug. The current Catholic Fathers do not truly believe in the Real Presence of God in Holy Eucharist, (how could they and do what they are doing) ... so ecumenically conforming our "services" with Lutheran (etc) services is kind of the point: "See all the unity and collegiality and synodality"! To which I respond "See also the emptiness where God once was ... what now is the point"?
"You deny that Mary appeared to the aboriginals as Pacahama?"
ReplyDeleteFr. Avarez, (If you are a father which I doubt.)
The answer is obvious. Of course, every faithful Catholic denies it. Can you provide an approved apparition of Mary as Pachamam, pregnant and nude? I didn't think so.
April Fools Day is long past. Give it a rest. You are just making yourself look ridiculous.
Pachamama appeared to the aboriginals (interesting choice of word the AI bot used ... interesting to see how these new "intelligent" machines "think") as Pachamama, no doubt, since Pachamama is a bitch demon godess.
ReplyDeleteCatholics are led by Mary, our Queen, to evangelize the "aboriginal" peripheries away from their demon gods that enslave them in sin to the gospel of Jesus Christ which frees them from their pagan past.
Mary our Queen has indeed visited the "aboriginals" at various times, such as to Juan Diego at Tepeyac Hill, the Aztecs pagan "aboriginals" of what is now Mexico City. And theough him, converted the Continent. But not, as the AI Bot Alvarez contends, as the b.d.g. pachamama. She appeared, as always, in all her heavenly grace-filled glory as herself - Queen of Heaven and Earth.
https://fatima.org/video/ask-father/papal-infallibility-ask-father-with-fr-albert-kallio/
ReplyDeleteAny pope is not infallible in all things, and our current pope may not be infallible in anything he says