I Disagree With Dr Edmund Mazza on Two Points re Russia & Mary (& Fatima)

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I disagree with Dr Edmund Mazza on two points given in his five part presentation, Russia & Mary: War & Peace (& Fatima).

1) The first disagreement I have, or first point up for discussion, with Dr Mazza is that at Fatima Our Lady never said anything about Russia converting to the Catholic faith. She actually never said the words "conversion of Russia" at all. She said the "Consecration of Russia" and that if the Consecration were done Russia will be converted. 

I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the communion of reparations on first Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. 

In the first four of the five April-May 2023 sessions on Russia &Mary: War & Peace, Dr Mazza stated the Blessed Mother as saying the conversion of Russia. However during the fifth session he said conversion of Russia to the Catholic faith. At that point he admitted that the Blessed Mother never said the words "to the Catholic faith" but that's what she meant. She meant that, he said, because in 1917 the Catholic Church, when speaking of conversion, understood that conversion meant conversion to the Catholic Church. That's Dr Mazza's opinion, as well as the opinion of many others.

The word conversion can mean two things. It can mean conversion to something or it can mean conversion from something, as in conversion to something from something else or conversion from something to something else. Those two are basically the same, for instance conversion to liking ice cream from not liking ice cream vs conversion from not liking ice cream to liking ice cream, except that normally the more important preposition (to or from) comes first, followed by the more important complement (Communism, Orthodoxy, Catholic Church, freedom, etc). 

Did the Blessed Mother mean conversion to the Catholic Church from Orthodoxy? Conversion from Communism to the Catholic Church (which currently is in the throes of Communism itself)? Conversion to freedom from Orthodoxy? Conversion from Communism back to Orthodoxy? The Blessed Mother did not specify the conversion of Russia to anything from something else or from something to something else. She left it at If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted. 

Catholics would tend to believe the hierarchy more if they hadn't utterly disobeyed Our Lady in not Consecrating Russia immediately as she asked because of the excuse of being too afraid to even mention (what was at that time) Communist Soviet Russia in the Consecration. In addition, perhaps we'd all have more faith in the hierarchy if the Third Secret of Fatima had been revealed in 1960 as requested. Obviously the Third Secret was about Vatican II but the Masonic powers that be didn't want Catholics to know their Mass was to be changed. 

We have the benefit of 106 years of world history since 1917. It's clear that the Russian Orthodox Church isn't even remotely considering conversion to Catholicism mainly because Eastern Orthodoxy considers the Catholic Church heretical. That's because the Western Church added the words "and the Son" (the Filioque) to the text of the Nicene Creed during the Middle Ages. Scripture clearly says that the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father" alone (John 15:26) which is the Orthodox stance although it's the Son saying He will send the Holy Spirit (Western stance) "You heretics!" cry the Eastern Church. "Yeah? Well, you're schematics!" cry the Western Church. In 1917 that was not what was happening. Russia wasn't spreading what Catholics consider "the errors of Orthodoxy" around the world. 

In 1917, Russia was being taken over by outsiders stirring up revolution to overthrow hundreds of years of established imperial government. In less than a year from the apparitions at Fatima leftist evil  Communist thugs murdered Tzar Nicholas and his entire family (except Anastasia, but that's another story for another day..."Anna Anderson" was the only person who told the absolute horror of what happened to the family in the Ipatiev House, that is, various heinous continual sexual assaults on each member of the royal family. In addition Anna Anderson's DNA tests were as truthful as Joe Biden's 2020 election as President of the United States...and yes, I know about Franziska, so please don't even start), threw their bodies down a mine shaft, poured sulfuric acid and oil over them and burnt the remains. Today their bodies lie in St Petersburg, Russia, at Saints Peter and Paul Cathedral. The Tsar and Tsarina and their children are considered Russian Orthodox saints. 

Communism was being established in Russia in 1917. Russia was spreading Communism across the world to the point that now the United States currently is enthralled with Marxism. After the defeat of the Tsarist system, the Communist Soviet government destroyed thousands of religious icons, burnt churches, slaughtered priests, murdered Christians. Russian Orthodoxy was bludgeoned to death in Communist Soviet Russia.

The Consecration was not done as asked therefore, as predicted by Our Lady, the errors of Communism spread everywhere. After Russia, the movement went to Mexico (Cristero War - Aug 1926 to Jun 1929) then to Catholic Spain (Spanish Civil War - Jul 1936 - Apr 1939). General Franco won the revolution in Spain which is why the left hated him and has smeared his name ever since. Not to mention the millions upon millions of people murdered by Communism in China, Cambodia, Hungary and other Eastern Bloc countries of the Soviet era.

In 1917, Russia was fighting for her life to remain free from Communism, but lost the fight so for 70 years was persecuted by the errors of Communism until Pope John Paul II's Consecration in 1984.

Did Our Lady of Fatima ask for the conversion of Russia to the Catholic Church? No. In 1946, Sister Lucy indicated that the Conversion of Russia implied the reconciliation and reunion of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church, not that the poor Russian Orthodox would suddenly be attending Novus Ordo masses, clown or homosexual masses, and flying pride flags over their altars. It would be a conversion of heart to reconciliation between the two Churches as well as conversion from Marxist Communism.

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2)  Now I come to the second point with which I disagree with Dr Mazza, which is Pope John Paul's March 25, 1984, Consecration.

If not she will spread her errors throughout the world causing wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.

In session five, Dr Mazza did mention John Paul's March, 25, 1984, Consecration. He vaguely expressed that Sister Lucia had said that Heaven had accepted Pope John Paul's Consecration, but made it clear he didn't believe a real Consecration had been accomplished yet or that John Paul's Consecration was effective. He did say that there was an explosion at the Severomosk Naval Base, but that was all. He did not list the twenty historical factual events that happened after Pope John Paul's Consecration which led to the fall of seventy years of Communism in Russia without one drop of blood shed.

Russia was converted from Communism to relative freedom of religion yet Our Lady never said that Russia would be converted to Catholicism. She said simply that it would be converted and a period of peace would be given to the world. Peace, as in there was not a nuclear war in 1984-85 as Lucia had feared. And only relative peace happened, not the period of peace promised since the Consecration was decades late and not done 100% according to Our lady's instructions. Nevertheless, Lucia said that heaven had accepted John Paul's Consecration and the events following the Consecration indicate that that was true. 

If you examine the historical events that took place leading to the final dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) it would be impossible not to see that God’s hand was involved in the dismantling of the Soviet Union. Beginning on May 13, 1984, just two months after the pope made the Consecration in Rome, an explosion took place at the naval base in Russia. The timeline is below.

March 25, 1984 - Pope John Paul II Consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as asked by Our Lady at Fatima.  

May 13, 1984 - One of the largest crowds in Fatima history gathers at the shrine to pray the Rosary for peace.

May 13, 1984 - An explosion at the Soviet Severomorsk Naval Base destroys two-thirds of all the missiles stockpiled for the Soviets’ Northern Fleet. 

December 13, 1984 - An explosion in Siberia destroys Russia’s largest ammunition base.

December 19, 1984 - Soviet Defense Minister Marshal Ustinov suddenly and mysteriously dies. 

December 22, 1984 - Three days later, Dec 22, Marshal Sodolov, the 2nd Minister of Defense dies.

March 10, 1985 - Soviet Chairman Konstantin Chernenko dies.

March 11, 1985 - Soviet Chairman Mikhail Gorbachev is elected.

April 26, 1986 - Chernobyl nuclear reactor accident happens.

                         

May 12, 1988 - Fatima Vigil. An explosion wrecks the only factory that made rocket motors for the Soviets’ deadly SS 24 long-range missiles which carry ten nuclear bombs each.

August 29, 1989 - Sister Lucia affirms that the consecration “has been accomplished” and that “God will keep His word.” 

November 9, 1989 - Fall of the Berlin Wall

Nov-Dec 1989 - Peaceful revolutions in Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania

1990 - East and West Germany are unified.

August 19, 1991 - 74th Anniversary of Our Lady's fourth apparition at Fatima – Communist coup attempts the overthrow of Gorbachev who contributed largely to the dismantling of the Soviet Empire.

August 22, 1991 - Feast of the Queenship of Mary. The attempt of the Communist coup to return to hard Communism is defeated.

October 12 - 13, 1991 - First Russian Pilgrimage to Fatima. Archbishop Tadeusz Kondrusiewicz, Roman Catholic Archbishop from Moscow, leads the first Russian pilgrimage group to Fatima. 

December 1991 - Gorbachev meets the Pope in the Vatican a second time; diplomatic relations were opened between the Vatican and Russia and Latin-rite churches were opened in Russia.

December 8th, 1991 - Feast of the Immaculate Conception. There begins the Commonwealth of Republics, the end of the USSR. Twelve days later Yeltsin of Russia met with the Pope at the Vatican.

December 25, 1991 - Dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The Communist flag is taken down for the last time over the Kremlin in Moscow. Gorbachev resigns and sends a letter to Pope John Paul II. Fifteen republics are freed from Communism.

December 30, 1991 - Sister Lucia is reported saying that the defeat of Communism was through Mary's intercession.

Those are the twenty historical proofs, true facts, of the fall of the USSR, peacefully with no bloodshed. The fall of Soviet Communism took place without one drop of blood from a war. 

One can argue back and forth about letters that were typed or hand written, an impostor Sister Lucy, who said this, who said that, whether the Vatican was withholding part of the Third Secret of Fatima that the world demanded to know, and so on...and on and on. 

We can argue endlessly, but first we must refute the facts of the above twenty historical events as not having happened by the hand of God as a direct response by Him to Pope John Paul II's Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984. 

Was John Paul's March 25th 1984 Consecration effective? Obviously, it was.