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| Do some popes lead us down the "primrose path of dalliance?" |
I've often felt beat over the head by sedevacantists who cannot possibly think their position may be in error. So they browbeat those who will not jump on their "The pope is a heretic so he can't be pope!" bandwagon. Are they correct? I don't know!
The other side is often just as acrimonious in defending their belief. Who can see the issue for all the dust stirred up by the shouting?
I stopped getting into it with sedevacantist who seemed determined to make me take a position. The fact is that I have no authority or ability to determine the truth of the matter. I do my best to keep the faith despite the troubling words and actions of any pope. But I'm not in a position to dethrone the last five popes and the current number six.
Some of our "holy fathers" were great sinners. The Great Western Schism illustrates the damage of competing popes and the loss of faith that ensues. Is the damage any less from the argument that we haven't had a pope since Pius XII died in 1958?
Some popes made imprudent, ambiguous, confusing, and erroneous statements. Pope Francis probably gets the award for primacy among them. The current pope has already given me heartburn with some of his appointments. Will Leo take the faithful further down the "primrose path of dalliance" that ends at the abyss? Maybe. Will many souls be lost as a result? Possibly. And if so, we need the charity to pray and fast for him. Like all of us, he will face the Lord of justice.
I find it hard to believe that Christ has allowed His church to be without a visible head for decades. Not only that, but who will tell us when a real pope sits in Peter's chair? Be that as it may, I found this article by Chris Jackson compelling and an example of how we self-professed Christians should debate with each other. It's well worth reading.
Wrestling With Authority: Matt Gaspers and Matthew McCusker Debate the Papacy
May we all find the straight, narrow path that leads to salvation and follow it with courage and humility.
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate, and broad is the way, which leads to perdition, and many there are who enter through it.How narrow is the gate, and how straight is the way, which leads to life, and few there are who find it! Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves You shall know them by their fruits. Matthew 7: 13-17
Every pope has been a heretic so there is no papacy. "Even Peter eas a heretic?" Ah, so the last pope died in the first century.
ReplyDeleteI hope that's a satirical comment and you aren't my anti-Catholic reader.
DeleteSome Sedevacantists just start earlier.
DeleteThe Sedevantists point out much truth of the apostacy of the post Conciliary Church, including actions of the Pope. I have a hard time looking at the video/pictures of JPII kissing the Koran and meeting eye-to-eye conceding them an Abrahamic connection. So there is certainly the heresy of modernism and concession of tradition.
ReplyDeleteI think most 1958 Sede's point to is Paul IV's acceptance of the VII conclusions and the new mass as proof, while they put a stake down on 1958 and the white smoke of Siri.
They are indeed right about many things, but all post 1958 popes anti-Popes?
After Church I have I discussed this with one such Sede who has a blog called Catholic End Times Truths. He believes Christ brought him back to the Church when he was young (he's 91 now) and that he will live to see Christs return, on a coming Easter day.
Mary - you are right, you can argue with these people until you are blue in the face, the problem is that the Modern Church has given them much ammunition.
Are Sede's Catholics? You bet.
Are they in schism: Above my pay grade. I attend SSPX and many thing I may be with that attendance - but I can tell you we are all Catholic too - all sinners.
Are there Catholics in the modern Church: You betcha, some better than us trads, most are not and they continue to take communion on the hand without thought.
We are a fractured Church for sure, and looking at history we may always have had fissures but maybe not as gaping as today.
Is the Pope a heretic: The answer is quite Obvious, but if one wants to look away from it I'm not sure if that is a bad thing, certainly ignorance is bliss as they say, but willful ignorance is not good.
Deep subject. I'm with A.Barnhardt that Benedict's resignation was invalid and I believe Bergoglio was indeed an antiPope as the subsequent conclave was illicit. Is the new guy an imposter too? I would say he's giving the line much cause to think so.
Are we in End Times? I think it's very very close, my guess is we will see Christ somewhere between 2028 and 2033.
Communion on the tongue is a post-reformation innovation to make sure to run any prot-sympathizers out of the church. Anyone who thinks it was done that eay prior to Luther is literally retarded. Why can't modern popes rescind a rule that was made so late?
DeleteYou are incorrect, Novus. Communion on the tongue is an ancient tradition. Here are a few sources you can look at.
Deletehttps://www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/apostolic-tradition.htm
https://www.catholic365.com/article/19342/communion-on-the-tongue-is-an-apostolic-tradition-and-should-be-the-only-way-to-receive-the-eucharist.html
If I may, please, recommend a site: http//:thethesis(dot)us. On the opening page: "First Article. What's wrong with Vatican II." Six short paragraphs. Then, "Second Article", "What answers have been proposed on the problem of authority? " Followed by four solutions." Thank you for permitting this comment. Mr. Hogan (no URL).
DeleteThos are just lies and claims. Primary sources show exactly what I said.
ReplyDeleteThe Eastern Orthodox also make lying websites saying communion in a spoon is apostolic tradition. But I know the primary sources and it ain't.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what the Eastern Orthodox claim, but in any case, again you list no primary sources. I suspect your primary source is Martin Luther. Enlighten us please.
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