Wednesday, September 28, 2016
Fatima and Akita contain serious warnings for the world. Pay Attention!
It is instructive to study the history of St. Margaret Mary as well. She begged King Louis XIV in 1689 to follow Our Blessed Lord's instructions to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. He did not and neither did his successors. Louis XVI did it privately in jail after he had been deposed and was no longer king. It did not save him or his family from the guillotine.
The consequences of disobeying the will of the Father are significant. It has been 100 years since Fatima and, if Antonio Socci and others who have studied Fatima are correct, the requests of Our Lady remain unfulfilled.
Susan and I are not in agreement that the Third Secret has been fully revealed. I believe Socci is correct when he says the third secret was divided into two: a description of the vision which Sr. Lucia wrote in her notebook and a single-page letter with the words of Our Lady. The vision was revealed, but I do not believe Our Lady's words have been revealed. And we certainly have not seen the promised reign of peace. In fact, peace seems farther away than ever!
Antonio Socci believed the Vatican version until he began to study the matter. I recommend his book, The Fourth Secret of Fatima. We are certainly in challenging times and Fatima and Akita hold the key to understanding them.
Our Lady of Perpetual Help, pray for us.
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What we are promised is sorrow. We obey a man of many sorrows.
ReplyDeleteHi MaryAnn ,post at your discretion.I lost your personal email address when we moved.
ReplyDeleteThis is a warning to all Catholics hoping to read blogs by those who share the same Faith. As we know, good priests have been persecuted by certain Bishops who consider them disobedient for reporting to either the Chancery or the police the pederasts that share their rectories or seminaries. But we need to realize that there are clerical pederasts who have used this same excuse when they were found to be unfit for Ministry. One such case is that of the recently deceased Anthony Cipolla who, despite being defrocked by the Pope for credible evidence, maintained his innocence blaming a Bishop who is not popular with orthodox Catholics.
One of Cipolla's victims hired a lawyer which forced the Pittsburgh Diocese to settle out of court rather than incurring full publicity.Another chose to remain anonymous . Cipolla continued to pose as a priest even on EWTN. He hosted retreats to Croatia and ran the Padre Pio Refuge to which people donated believing him a "Persecuted Priest"
Privately, he and a friend launched a campaign to destroy the reputation of an elderly mother whose children are now grown and were the first to go to the police. It was thought they would not fight back because they never followed though with the prosecution.
Fortunately, I saw she did speak out. With the help of her grandchildren she started her own blog and I was able to connect her with Randy to get her to send the legal evidence she has kept in her possession and truth out about the history of Pittsburgh Diocese.
Aside from speaking up for good priests who come forward, we should never judge off hand that clerical pederast victims are liars.
Many Catholics never hired a lawyer or even thought to sue the Church. Instead they went to their Bishops trusting they would do the right thing to protect other children. They were convinced it was best for the Church not make it a public scandal.
I lived in one such Diocese and heard the criticism from parishioners after one set of parents finally went to the police and it was in the news. Then other families came forward whose daughters were molested. They all brought the crimes to the pastor each over a period of ten years and all had been assured privately by him that the guilty priest would be prevented from repeating the offenses.
They were mocked by many Catholics in the parish who said they were just, "money grubbers" and "liars".
http://jacdiltd1.blogspot.com/2016/05/fr-anthony-j-cipollas-puppet-pontillo.html
http://www.donaldwuerl.com/2016/05/not-a-widow.html
http://www.donaldwuerl.com/2016/09/mother-angelica-and-cipolla.html
http://touchstonemag.com/merecomments/2006/04/did_mother_ange/
I haven't said anything about the Third Secret at all. The Consecration to Russia and the Third Secret are two different things albeit both from the Fatima Visions of 1917.
ReplyDeleteThank you very much for this very serious reminder! God reveals these things to the simple. Pray the Rosary and fulfill the requirements of the First Saturdays.
ReplyDeleteSorry, Susan, I did not mean to misrepresent your position, but I see the two going together. I do not think the consecration has been carried out as Our Lady instructed and I don't think we can trust Cardinal Bertone's claim that the typewritten letter from Sr. Lucia saying it has been carried out is authentic. I'd be interested in your opinion of Socci's book.
ReplyDeleteBefore Fatima and Akita, there was La Salette.
ReplyDeleteLa Salette, too, had two (or three) portions of the message. The first one the hierarchy readily announced, the apparition approved, and a basilica was built on the site.
The second portion, which Melanie struggled to write and publicized, was suppressed by the hierarchy and placed on the Index. It tells of pretty much the same catastrophes that Fatima and Akita would later revealed. Melanie's reputation was trashed, was moved from place to place like a mendicant pilgrim all over Europe, and was generally derided as a mental case.
The third portion (a rule of life for a contemplative Order which Our Lady wanted), Melanie had to publish by herself in a booklet with an imprimatur by a rare friendly bishop in Italy in whose diocese she later died. Again, the hierarchy discredited the booklet and placed it on the Index. With the Church's turning on the Vatican II, Melanie's messages from Our Lady have all but been forgotten.
It's really time Melanie's messages from Our Lady of La Salette be given the attention they deserve. From there we could move on to Fatima and Akita and see how very closely Our Lady had knitted all three apparitions together to convey the same compassionate but urgent message.
The need for repentance message of Akita and Fatima are very much the same. As for the consecration,we have no way of knowing what she wrote or what she knew about what the Vatican was reporting that she said or wrote. This is one of those things we probably won't ever know for certain this side of the earthly veil.
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ReplyDeleteMay I highly recommend, as an indispensable companion to Antonio Socci's work a most instructive book written by attorney Christopher Ferrara "The Secret Still Hidden".
ReplyDeletehttps://www.amazon.com/Secret-Still-Hidden-Christopher-Ferrara/dp/0981535704
Mr. Ferrara is a columnist for The Remnant newspaper and contributes to The Fatima Crusader (the late Father Nicholas Gruner's website). I myself am a retired administrative law judge and must say Mr. Ferrara's book is most convincing.
God bless.
So Everyone,
ReplyDeleteI read nothing by Fr Gruner, barely nothing by Christopher Ferrara and never the Remnant and doubt I'll read anything by Antonio Socci. Everything's a secret with Socci...he's written 3 books on secrets - The Secret of Padre Pio, The Secrets of Karol Wojtyla (Socci thinks JPII had more than one secret to hide?), The Fourth Secret of Fatima, all books with the word "secret" in their title to make people curious. Is Socci trying to be a sensationalist? He is also a quasi groupie of Fr Gruner, who (Gruener) is depicted on of the pro-Gruener Fatima websites soulfully gazing upwards with what appears to be a halo around his head much like the pictures of President Obama backlit by a gold halo of light.
I prefer to be neither a left/liberal Catholic, nor a right/traditionalist/fundamentalist Catholic, but an orthodox Catholic.
I was under the impression that the Consecration to Russia was from the 2nd Secret of Fatima, nevertheless if it's a part of the Third, it's still separate from what everyone argues about...as in, what is the hierarchy hiding, if anything? Can't be water flooding the earth because God already nixed that after the flood.
What is it that could possibly have been so horrifying to Lucia in 1917 about the future? Something so unimaginable in 1917, horrifying for Pius XII that he turned pale, unimaginable in 1960 even for John XXIII that he (rightly) said it wasn't for his time. What is it that they might be afraid of saying?
Like Pius XII during WWII having to be careful about what he said about Russia, about Nazism, about Hitler for fear of reprisals against Catholics and other Christians, what is there today looming in our future? Forever and ever man has talked about the end of the world and used his imagination of all kinds of horrors to end the world. So it can't be the normal floods and fires, etc.
I think here's what Our Lady might have said to Lucia - "In the 20th century all of Christendom will be so weakened through the apostasy of priests, bishops, nuns (think Sr Joan Chichester, Sr Elizabeth Johnson, the nuns on the bus, etc) that the Catholic laity all over the world will barely be Christian, much less Catholic. Entire continents will lose their Christian identity (Europe, America, Canada, etc today) therefore become so weakened that in 100 years (now, today, next year, soon?) the Enemy will sweep over them like oceans of water, like fire from the sky, killing millions of people at once. This will be done by the adherents of the religion of Satan, Islam. In the end, St Peter's Basilica will be the seat of the world wide caliphate, turned into a mosque and a pilgrim site of the great importance of Satan's complete overthrow of my Son. Souls will go by the millions to Hell for mankind will bow down to Satan sitting on the former papal throne."
That certainly wasn't imaginable in 1917. Not in 1945. Not 1960. Not even 1985. Not really even 1995. But now in 2016 yes. It is entirely possible. Europe is a fuel doused continent waiting for the strike of a match. Yet people remain (willfully?) unaware of
the demonic origins of Islam and what it has done to Christendom in the past, what it wants to do now, what it has always wanted to do, which is it's purpose for being. And the best way to finish off Christendom, to conquer it, is to make the Devil reign over the earth and all the people in it. At St Peter's. On the papal throne. Ruling the world like he wanted to in the beginning of time.
Ok, Susan. Having admitted you have read nothing by or about the authors under discussion it might have been an opportunity to disembark that train. I think you missed your stop thereafter. Your conjectures on what you speculate the Third Secret may or may not say are insightful though.
ReplyDeletePublishers almost always determine the ultimate title of a book. I suspect it has something to do with marketing appeal. Rather than use the word 'Secret' in a title one might call one's work My Book", "My Book 2, and "My Book 3".
I myself even read "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" once. If I recall the subtext was that those who remain cool and controlled are the most convincing.
Peace.
Not to belabour the obvious, Susan, but the three seers of Fatima as well as just about everyone within and without the Church have specifically referred time and again to what was 'The Third Secret of Fatima'. I presuppose this was not an effort on their part to sensationalise the messages.
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And I believe the Church:
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Start here: Congregation for the Doctrine Faith > The Message of Fatima - http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html
Find on the page the word "consecration".
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Then proceed here:
1)Fatima Consecration - Chronology - https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/FatimaConsecration.htm &
2) Fátima - 1984 Consecration - https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/Fatima1984.htm &
3) 25 March 1984. Pope St. John Paul II in Union with All the Bishops of the World, Consecration of all Individuals and Peoples of the World to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. - https://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/consecra.htm#JP2c
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End here with a presentation of arguments from both sides:
Has Russia Been Consecrated by the Pope? Arguments from both sides by Dr Taylor Marshall - http://taylormarshall.com/2013/10/has-russia-been-consecrated-by-the-pope.html
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Just like it is said Noah's Ark saved Noah and his family 100 years after God's warning and command, it appears it is by Mary, who is the New Ark of the Covenant, that those who will be saved will be saved. We all will do well by daily reciting the Holy Rosary and by devotions like wearing the Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. Cf. Why the Catholic Church is true: the Books of Maccabees - https://thewarourtime.com/2014/03/20/why-the-catholic-church-is-true-the-books-of-maccabees/
Ronan, Socci's sensationalizing book is called the FOURTH Secret of Fatima.
ReplyDeleteAnd thank you, thewarourtime.com. Canticles 1:4, right?
Yes, Susan. Well spotted. No flies on you. It is indeed called the Fourth Secret of Fatima. You characterise it as 'sensational', however. Might I ask, have you or have you not read the book in its entirety and, if so, in what specific respect(s) is it 'sensational'?
ReplyDeleteTa. Liam.
@Susan Matthiesen RE: Canticles 1:4 you got that right and cf. Little Office of BVM Vespers.
ReplyDeleteSusan Matthiesen said... Ronan, Socci's sensationalizing book is called the FOURTH Secret of Fatima.
ReplyDeleteAlthough called "The Fourth Secret of Fatima," the book does not conclude that there are "four secrets." That's merely the title of the book.
There is only one secret of Fatima, and that secret has three parts. Two of them were revealed by Sister Lucia years ago.
The third part of the one secret is the part that begins: "In Portugal, the dogma of faith will always be preserved."
These words were never revealed by Sister Lucia until she wrote her memoirs in the 1940s. She put "et cetera" after that statement.
Marie said...Before Fatima and Akita, there was La Salette. La Salette, too, had two (or three) portions of the message. The first one the hierarchy readily announced, the apparition approved, and a basilica was built on the site.
ReplyDeleteThe seers at LaSalette each wrote a secret. Not too long ago, the secrets were made publicly available and can be viewed online.
http://veritas-catholic.blogspot.com/2006/08/la-salette-secrets.html
In addition, there is the other writing which contains the "Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of antichrist" statement, but it has never received approbation, for obvious reasons.
The two original secrets did not receive approbation either. They appear to contain "failed" prophecies, similar to the Fatima apparitions.
Susan Matthiesen said... Ronan, Socci's sensationalizing book is called the FOURTH Secret of Fatima.
ReplyDeleteAlthough called "The Fourth Secret of Fatima," the book does not conclude that there are "four secrets." That's merely the title of the book.
There is only one secret of Fatima, and that secret has three parts. Two of them were revealed by Sister Lucia years ago.
The third part of the one secret is the part that begins: "In Portugal, the dogma of faith will always be preserved."
These words were never revealed by Sister Lucia until she wrote her memoirs in the 1940s. She put "et cetera" after that statement.
DJR, I had assumed that Socci titled the book as such because he meant that the "fourth secret" is the Vatican's secret for holding the Third Secret secret.
ReplyDeleteLiam (sorry for mistakenly calling you by your last name above), I have books in my living room across one entire wall, floor to ceiling, and the bedroom is about the same. I have books piled by the bed on the floor and on the table. In the past I have read almost every book on Fatima, all of Sr Lucy's books and I might even have read The Fourth Secret by Socci back when it first came out (7 years ago?). But if I can't remember if I read it, I might as well say that I haven't.
I say "sensational" because he seems to like to get people to buy books by implying there's a secret out there (The Secret of Padre Pio, The Secrets of Karol Wojtyla, The Fourth Secret of Fatima, etc) that we need know about therefore we have to buy the book(s) to find out what the secret(s) is/are. I'm reading about 5 books at the moment (against the advice of a priest who said never read more than 3 books at the same time) and if I ever finish them possibly I'll read Socci's book - unless it's on the shelf somewhere. I'll look, ok?
Susan,
ReplyDeleteNo offence taken about the surname/forename mix-up.
Do have a look for that book of Socci's if only to see if it is secreted away somewhere in your archives awaiting its timely revelation. Until then we are left, at best, with your pithy review of a book title. And of course one should never judge a book by its cover.
Peace.
Well, I think I'm allowed to read what I want to read or not, and for the very reason I stated (basically, I don't want to). Bullying someone into reading a book just because someone else thinks it's the greatest epic ever written on a (secret suspicious furtive) subject isn't the best way to get the other person to do what you want them to do. Because a person finds something incredibly enthralling, doesn't mean that other people do, or will, or will even want to. Nevertheless, if the book drops out of the sky at my feet, I'll read it. Otherwise, not.
ReplyDeleteSusan,
ReplyDeleteI regret you have taken my comments (all of which were without rancour and pretty straightforward in my estimation) as 'bullying'. I hope that if you will revisit them you will find that, word for word, nothing ill was intended.
Peace.
Will reread. Thanks.
ReplyDeletePeace to you too, Liam.