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make all the decisions and impose them on his underlings beginning with the heads of the various departments. They can express their opinions to him, but he is the ultimate authority and if they disagree they can obey anyway or "off with their heads!"
That is not a proper image for the Catholic Church.
The pope is not a dictator with the ultimate power to throw out bishops on a whim because he doesn't happen to like them. Unfortunately, the bishops themselves have promulgated that image by the unjust treatment some have dished out to their spiritual sons. Cancelled priests are a growing problem. I know some of them and it is disturbing to see how unjust some bishops are. The sad truth for those bishops is that you reap what you sow. They will be measured out the same measure and rotten fruit they've dished out to others. Get ready for it, Your Excellencies!
Crisis Magazine has an interview with Peter Kwasniewski that explores this issue of the proper way to look at the pope's role and his relationship to the bishops. The interview addresses a recent book of essays edited by Kwasniewsk rooted in the pope's treatment of Bishop Joseph Strickland, Unresolved Tensions in Papal Episcopal Relations: Essays Occasioned by the Deposition of Bishop Joseph Strickland. The title of the piece Should Bishops Ignore the Vatican? certainly pertains to the recent situation with Archbishop Vigano as well. So let's look at some of the points, first how the Church looks at the role of the bishops in relation to the papacy:
Basically, what we have to understand is that the church teaches, and teaches consistently, that the bishops, no less than the pope, are successors of the apostles...they’ve been appointed by the pope and they have to be consecrated, but once they’re in possession of that episcopal office, they rule and they teach and they sanctify with a rite proper to them...They’re not like branch managers hired by the CEO of a corporation who can hire and fire at will. That’s not the way the church has ever thought about it. In fact, throughout church history, some of the points of tension, which have arisen from time to time between the episcopacy and the papacy have precisely to do with an overreach, either on the part of the one or on the part of the other.
So obviously, it's possible that either the pope or a bishop can "overreach" his authority.
There have been times when popes have tried to dictate to bishops, “This is the way you’re going to rule your diocese. You’re going to establish or disestablish this religious community or this monastery. You’re going to appoint my favorite nephew into one of your posts.” The bishops have had to say, “No, with all due respect, Your Holiness, this is going too far. You don’t have the authority to do whatever you want.”...the pope is subject to the constitution of the church. There are certain rights and responsibilities, duties, obligations that the pope has, given the nature of the Church of Christ, that he can’t simply sidestep because he doesn’t feel like it. He’s not omnipotent. He’s not absolute in that sense...What I mean there is the divine constitution of the church. What our Lord, Jesus Christ, wills for His church. In terms of what her common good is, what her sacramental structure is, what is the role of tradition in the church, this is also part of the divine constitution of the church, and I don’t just mean scripture and tradition as revelation, as divine revelation, but I also mean the normative value and function of tradition of, “I hand on what I have received,” that very important principle which is fundamental to Catholicism.
Many Catholics seem to think every pronouncement of a pope is a Church doctine. It's not! And in fact, we've had a number of evil men sitting in Peter's chair. Nothing we are experiencing today is a first! In the award for worst pope ever contest, Francis has a number of rivals. However, he seems to be leading in the "Sack the bishops you don't like" category.
And, not only does he sack them, but they are generally deprived of their canonical right to a trial. Archbishop Lefebvre also experienced the grave injustice inflicted on Bishop Strickland. No trial, no real hearing, just the hobnailed boot.
Kwasniewski mentions two questions from a book by Bishop Athanasius Schneider scheduled for release in mid July, Flee from Heresy. It addresses the laity's sensus fidei about obedience to dictates from the pope or a bishop:
Alerted by his sensus fidei, the lay faithful may deny assent, even to the teachings of legitimate pastors when these appear evidently contrary to right faith or morals, or undermine their integrity. St. Paul warned even of bishops who would teach error as ravening wolves, Acts 20:29, formulating this principle for both clergy and lay faithful. Even if we or an angel from Heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that one be a curse. As we have said before, so now we repeat, if anyone proclaims to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let that one be a curse, Galatians 1:8-9.”
Then his next question is exactly what you said. Isn’t this sinful disobedience, dissent from the Magisterium and a form of Protestantism? That’s the next question. And he answers, this is a short answer, “No. Rather than treat oneself as the ultimate criterion of truth, which is a form of Protestantism, the faithful Catholic, faced with a disturbing, yet ‘authorized’ teaching, merely defers to the superior authority of the universal perennial traditional teachings of the church, rejecting what departs from it.”
With the bombs already dropped on the TLM and the other traditional sacraments and the likely nuke coming soon, Kwasniewski supports the legitimate approach of continuing to attend the TLM where it is offered with the caveat of remaining in union with the Church:
For me, the number one principle is that we, as Catholics, need to adhere to our traditional lex orandi lex credendi lex vivendi. We have to do that. That is...it’s not just about a liturgical preference. It’s about the entire religion. Everything is connected to this. If people want to see why that’s the case, they should just check out my book, The Once and Future Roman Rites. That’s really where I make the case most fully....Law has to be rational or reasonable in order to go into force and to have binding force on us. That’s another point here that we have to bear in mind. When Pope Francis says, “The Novus Ordo is the only form of the Roman rite, the unique form of it.” That’s false. That’s a falsity. It isn’t even the Roman rite. That’s what my book, The Once and Future Roman Rite demonstrates. There’s the Roman rite and then there’s the modern rite of Paul IV and they’re not the same rite. They’re two different rites. That can be shown by all of the criteria that liturgists use to define rites.
There's much more in the interview, but I'll stop here with a plea to faithful Catholics to study the faith. In a time of confusion, that becomes an absolute necessity. You can't keep the faith if you don't know the faith. I always start my day with the prayer to the Holy Spirit, the source of wisdom. Remember from your Confirmation the seven gifts. Wisdom is always mentioned first. As confirmed Catholics let us strive for the gift of wisdom followed by those of understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. God will always say yes to those who pray for the gifts. Let us beg for them in great abundance!
Holy Spirit, have mercy on us.
Mary, Seat of Wisdom, pray for us.
St. Joseph, patron of the universal Church, pray for us
Timely.
ReplyDeleteThe key to walking that fine line between obedience rightly-ordered and disordered Protestant rebellion is studying and knowing the Faith, and prayer (as you say).
The soldier(as an example) is obligated to judge the legality of any order received from a superior officer (up to and including the CIC) and obey only that which is legal (which is usually 99.99% of all orders received). To know when to *disobey* implies a personal knowledge of underlying governing legal principles, at some level of useful familiarity, and also the willingness to work within the system with questions and requests for explanations prior to open rebellion. Then, in that context, a further willingness to listen and possibly adapt one’s views, faced with convincing counter-proofs. The same (imo) goes for our duties as laymen in the Catholic Church.
The time from Vatican II, Novus Ordo, etc. to now is merely 3% of the Church's history. The doctrines/dogmas from the other 97% have been eroded, ignored, and discarded in this "updating". But human nature and the nature of the soul have not changed. I rather trust the wisdom of the 97% of Church saint-making experience, instead of the novelties of the upstarts.
ReplyDeleteExactly! Good observation.
DeleteDebbie, I'm not posting any comments pushing sedevacantism so yours went into the spam folder. If you want to do that, start your own blog. Dr. Kwasniewski has a solid reputation and has edited a number of books with essays by many other reputable theologians, canonists, liturgists, etc. I don't condemn those who go the sedevacantist route. We are in confusing times. But neither will I give you a platform.
ReplyDeleteI suggest you read theology manuals from before Vatican II instead trusting people who claim to be traditional. Papal supremacy and papal primacy state that the pope is the supreme authority of the Church, until Christ returns. If you can’t apply them to a circumstance, you must be understanding the circumstance wrong.
ReplyDeleteAnd I suggest you read the blog more carefully. Here's the challenge, Anonymous. Where did I dispute papal supremacy and papal primacy? Good luck finding anything; I never have! Have you read all the earlier posts -- like quotes from the catechism of the council of Trent, the saints, canon lawyers, and theologians?
DeleteMust Catholics obey the pope when he says get a vaccine mandated by the state? Must Catholics accept the hypothesis of man-made global warming because the pope supports it? Can the pope tell you what to eat for breakfast? You seem to advocate the current definition of ultramontanism that treats the pope's infallibility as covering every statement he makes. Vatican I emphasized the limits of papal authority. Guess what! That's theology taught over 500 years ago! Francis is only infallible when he speaks ex cathedra or in union with all the bishops of the Church and in line with Catholic doctrine and Sacred Tradition. Otherwise, what he says is often a personal opinion that has no more weight than anyone else's opinion. One can agree or disagree.
Was St. Paul challenging Peter's supremacy and primacy when he resisted him to the face -- in pretty strong language. "When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned." Galatians 2:11-14.
You'll have to make a real case and support it with proof, Anonymous. Your comment is like a bucket with a hole in it. It won't hold water.
Bergoglio can never be infallible because he is not Catholic. He has obstinately and openly opposed a multitude of doctrines that constitute the truth Faith. Would you be willing to argue in favor of Bergoglio’s claim to even be a Catholic using the Creed or even the 10 commandments as guides? I sure wouldn’t want to attempt it!
DeleteWell, Anonymous, You would obviously make the best judge for the canonical trial of Francis. You've already decided on the verdict. I don't think God needs me to argue the case for or against Frances. And I'm certainly not competent to be the judge. Besides, you've already snatched that role for yourself.
DeleteYou are correct that I am judging. We are required to judge. St. Paul instructed as much: "But though we, or an Angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. As we said before, so I say now again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema." (Galatians 1:8-9) Writing to the “churches of Galatia”, he does not tell them to initiate formal proceedings against "anti-preachers". Instead, St. Paul instructs them that they are automatically anathema, that is, they are now excluded from the Body of the Church. Jorge Mario Bergoglio has been corrected and challenged many times (Dubia, etc.), and the result has always been the same, he refuses to retract his multiple heresies. Surely, you don't believe he hasn't been given ample opportunities to recant or clarify his heresies?
DeleteOur mind is called the seat of judgment and, of course, we are all called to make judgments. Otherwise we could not choose between moral and immoral acts. That is not the same as judging that the pope is not the pope. There is no provision in canon law for that from the canon lawyers I've read. And a layman certainly has no authority to judge and remove the pope. There are many canonists, theologians and philosophers who disagree with your position. If you don't believe he is the pope, that is your opinion and you can try to build a case proving you are correct. Go for it. Start a blog. You may not take over mine.
DeleteHe's right Mary Ann.
DeleteNot sure which comment you are agreeing with, but if you are talking about Francis not being pope, as I said there are many authorities (canon lawyers, theologians, etc.) who make a convincing case that Francis is the pope.
DeleteGod is God
ReplyDeleteThe pope is not God.
Any thing or one that displaces God as our supreme object is an idol.
We can be Catholic in the midst of this storm.
Unity.
Peace.
Charity.