The demonic hatred and rage was truly amazing
There I was at work last Thursday minding my own business when I looked up and saw a girl about age 22 needing help with her credit card. The man in line ahead of her was from Virginia and mentioned the constant traffic backups in Washington, DC and how that same problem has followed him here to Florida.
The girl picked up on the tail end of the brief conversation and said, "Well, I wish I were there right now. I'd love to join the protest." The conversation went like this:
Me: What protest would that be?
Her: The pro-Palestinian protest! I wish I were there!
Me: Oh, well, if I were there I'd be protesting on the other side for Israel against you.
With that, she BLEW UP. Anger and rage flowed out of her like Mt Vesuvius erupting over Pompeii.
Her: They've killed over 30,000 Palestinians!! Do you even know that??! (There was no time to tell her that those figures from the Palestinian side are highly exaggerated and include Hamas terrorists that the IDF have killed)
Me: Yes, and the Palestinians knew what Israel would do when their Hamas terrorists went in and murdered all those Jews and took 250 hostages
Her: You're what's wrong with this country!! I can't wait until all of you DIE!
Me: Really? Well, whatever.
Her: You started this!!
Me: ??? What did I...
Her: This conversation. You started it!
Me: No I didn't. You said you wanted to go to Washington (think she meant NYC) to protest and I said I'd like to go too to protest you protesting for Hamas.
Her: Your whole generation needs to go! You - all of you - need to DIE! After you're dead then this country can progress!!
I so wanted to tell her that Islam hasn't progressed in 1400 years.
She then raised her hand. I flinched because I thought she was going to hit me. Instead she slammed the palm of her hand down on the counter, grabbed her credit card and stormed off saying that my generation needs to die.
In other words, she was saying that anyone disagreeing with the Nazi left needs to die, i.e., millions of people need to die.
Did she mean "die off" or "killed off"? | 
Mary Ann - when looked at deeply, there are really no good side to stand with, but I do think Israel has been more guilty of aggression than any arab and/or Palestine party. I personally think that the Oct7 attack was a deep conspiracy that suckered Hamas to attack in order to allow Israel to launch this offensive.
ReplyDeleteI suggest to all to listen to the 20+ hrs. podcast by "Martyr Made" (Darryl Cooper) that freely is available most Podcast platforms. Listen to his series called "Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem". He dove deeply into the creation of that Nation and how they grabbed land. This will change your mind in support of Isreal indeed once you know how they grabbed that land (we were nto well taught). The funny thing is that many Jews who lived in the Palestine region before 1910 lived more in peace than the invading Jews. The "local" Jews had to submit to the invader Jews program (they had to fire Arabs and they could not sell land to Arabs).
How did the Jews fund the invasion? The Blue Box:
https://www.kkl-jnf.org/about-kkl-jnf/the-blue-box/#:~:text=The%20collected%20donations%20were%20used,people%27s%20connection%20with%20their%20homeland.
This Blue Box money had strings to it (in it's bylaws): One of the most important was the land that was purchased with it could NEVER be sold to a non-Jew.
Please listen - all should be informed.
Lastly, I remind all what Pope Pius X said in a meeting with Theodor Herzl (the then modern Zionist movement leader).
"We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem but we could never sanction it. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people. If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will have churches and priests ready to baptize all of you."
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/vatican#:~:text=The%20Jews%20have%20not%20recognized,to%20baptize%20all%20of%20you.%22
Poor thing....sounds like the Hitler sound brigade has infected your comments....its all the fault of the Jews
DeleteAnonymous - really? That’s how you read my reply? You didn’t take away a concept of learning more about Zionism and why Catholics cannot defend its nature?
DeleteDo you think Israel sprang out of a Nobel movement and of that a WWII outfall?
Nothing I mention above is about anything that happened after 1930 - so how does Hitler factor into your read? I think mustache man lives rent free in your mind.
Please start learning the history that really happened, not the one that government curriculum and main stream media forced upon us.
Anonymous,
DeleteIsrael sprang from a clear need for the Jews to have their own state - Zionism is a movement that was a REACTION to Western and Muscovite barbarism (including yours. Who are you to tell a more distinguished and accomplished people than yours if they can or cannot have a homeland?). You will notice that, somehow, Zionism was not spawned by Poland and Rus'-Ukraine (to where Jews that fled from the European barbarians fled in such great numbers that Yiddish overwrote all native Jewish/Slavic mixed dialects) - but by Germany, England, Spain, Muscovy and other assorted gaggle of anti-Semitic nations and their policies. The Jews had their state because, clearly, the Western and Eastern barbarians could not be trusted to live and let live like actual civilized people.
Oh, and the current Israeli population mostly consists of the Jews that fled from the "peaceful" Arabic countries (it's a filthy, recent Islamic lie to claim that Jews lived well under the Islamic rule) - that population of Jews not only strikes the lie that "Jews are evil white colonialists" in it's black heart, it also overwrote all the other populations of the Jews (the Jews fleeing from Muscovy was the second-greatest population of the Jews to enter Israel, so much that some of the peculiarities of the Muscovite culture of the Soviet period made into the contemporary Israeli culture).
"Catholics cannot defend it's nature" - it's not a matter of any man's opinion. Jews will endure to the very end of the world - Divine Revelation clearly says so. And their lands will be around Jerusalem. So why waste energy trying to subvert what God has decreed? Not you, not Satan, not all the powers of hell and heaven will be able to move the Jews from Israel, wipe them out or do anything else except have them wait until they choose to convert all on their own. The choice has been taken from you; all you can do is to roll with it, incorporate this truth into your own plans. I, for one, am not so impudent and disrespectful as to try to arrogantly tell them that they cannot go to the homeland that God explicitly reserved for them around the time my ancestors still lived in Sogdia/Turan. The not-so-proverbial graves of history are also littered with the enemies of the Jews, too - are you sure that you want to antagonize the people, who outlived just about every empire and superpower worth a damn? And most of those very powerful empires were hostile to the Jews. And still didn't make a single bit of difference in the end, as the Jews still survived (they even resurrected an old language of theirs) and thrived.
"We cannot recognize the Jewish people" - with all respect to the Pope, this was not what we Christians should be saying. Ever. At all. Especially to the Jews; this is what kills any attempt at actual conversion and dialogue between us and them. We cannot open our dialogue with saying that "Jews are not the real Israel, we are" or any other tripe like that. Jews rightfully dismiss such rhetoric from what is (from a rather valid Jewish perspective, I gather), effectively, a bunch of Western savages that were sacrificing animals and people to literal statues and wiping their dung with their hands when Jews were ruled by the lineage of David by God's own decree. Because, with such sayings, some Christians were effectively denying the very nationality of the Jews.
But I'm supposed to die because I don't agree with you? Anyone who doesn't agree with you needs to die?
ReplyDeleteSadly thats their logic....without faith there is no reason
DeleteSusan, you are pretty hard on people who disagree with you, and that comment is completely unresponsive to the points in what I thought was a thoughtful comment. I have a friend who has been involved with defending the rights of Christians in Israel. They have been persecuted relentlessly. The Bethlehem woodcarvers come to our parish every year and I've talked to their representatives about what's happening there. Most have left. There is plenty to criticize about the Zionist movement in Irael. Most situations are not one side angels, the other side devils. Things are a lot more complicated. Recognizing that is not saying you should die.
ReplyDelete"that comment is completely unresponsive to the points in what I thought was a thoughtful comment.?"
DeleteUm...no, it was simple,short & sweet...responding to a diatribe vs the Jews
"Yes, and the Palestinians knew what Israel would do when their Hamas terrorists went in and murdered all those Jews and took 250 hostages"
ReplyDeleteYes, but what do you expect when Western hegemons plop a bunch of European colonialists on a place where others live under the pretext of "a people without a land for a land without a people"? Will those people they've been attempting to displace just meekly capitulate? Or accept a moth-eaten, demilitarized, castrated pseudo-state?
West Asians are paying for the crimes of Teutonic Western Europeans against the Jews. That's the crux of the problem. The solution is for the Ashkenazi to do to the Germans what they're doing to the Palestinians. I have no problem carving an ethnic Jewish state in the middle of Germany. The displaced Germans can live in other parts of Germany or Austria, or Switzerland or other places with German speakers. Or elsewhere in Europe. They still feel guilty and will be okay with it.
Maybe create a Jewish country in the state where you live since you're so gung-ho about Zionism. No need for you to die, just push you out. There are 49 other states that can move to.
Isn't that what Muslims are doing? Pushing Europeans out of their cites, countries? Look at Paris, Ireland, the no go zones. That's why jews are leaving for Israel ...again.
DeleteI watched the "Hiding Place" two nights ago (read the book also years ago). It's a reminder of how fast things go south. Currently Jews are once again leaving Europe, Jewish students have been counseled to find a safe "hiding place" in Boston because of the pro-Palestinian protests at Harvard and when the local rabbi came into my workplace the other day he didn't use the Jewish temple's name as usual. Was he afraid to use it? I don't know, but he look relieved when I recognized him but didn't mention the name of the Jewish temple.
ReplyDeleteHamas youth at Columbia , using he/she/they pronouns, said he doesn't fight to win or lose, he fights to kill and that all Zionists deserve to live. He then stated, "I feel very comfortable calling for them to die." He later apologized, but would I feel safe around him? No. In addition, the Columbia administration is now NEGOTIATING with the protesters on camp removal deadlines. Yes, negotiating with Hamas-minded youth will be beneficial for the administration. They need to expel every single one of them with no degree.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/04/26/columbia-student-protester-says-zionists-dont-deserve-to-live-apologizes/
first sentence correction - ..."no Zionists deserve..."
ReplyDeleteWell, ladies.........if there's a demonstration, it's not Zionists, nor Pallies, nor (pick your cause.) It's the Aliinsky-ite revolutionaries, shape-shifters extraordinaire!!
ReplyDeleteThe protestors are being paid by Rockefeller Soros -read the WSJ on this.
ReplyDeleteRight, anonymous @ 1:45 PM, and they're all on the side of Hamas. The left is on the side of Hamas. Democrats are on the side of Hamas. He/she/they weirdos are on the side of Hamas.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile do anu of you look at the IDF's X account? Here's what they say:
How the #Hamas agenda setting in the news cycle works:
1. Hamas or its agents (health “ministry”, “civil” defense, etc.) make an announcement intended for international consumption = increased pressure on #Israel and curtailing
@IDF
operations because it’s the only way they can survive this war.
2. AlJazeera amplifies said announcement. With supposedly supporting images, women crying, “joe on the street” interviews.
3. World media recklessly regurgitates with dramatic headlines. At best with a disclaimer that they can’t independently verify the report, at worst based on a Palestinian stringer that CANNOT report anything bad about Hamas (why is that?)
4. UN organizations raises concerns and calls for investigation into a fake event. Government press secretaries asked at press conferences rinse and repeat concerns.
5. IDF fact checks (because we are a serious organization) - and refutes the fake news.
It is illegal to give U.S. money to those committing war crimes. But Blinken says it's okay to use MY money for war crimes: "US holds off on sanctioning Israeli military units accused of human rights violations in West Bank before start of war with Hamas A letter from Secretary of State Blinken said military aid can continue for now.
ReplyDeletehttps://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-sanction-israeli-military-units-accused-human-rights/story?id=109651562
Blinken Is Sitting on Staff Recommendations to Sanction Israeli Military Units Linked to Killings or Rapes
https://www.propublica.org/article/israel-gaza-blinken-leahy-sanctions-human-rights-violations
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday he would fight against sanctions being imposed on any Israeli military units for alleged rights violations, after media reports said Washington was planning such a step.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-pm-netanyahu-says-he-will-fight-any-sanctions-army-battalions-2024-04-21/
This is what MONEY buys: "Israeli soldiers will not face criminal charges in death of elderly Palestinian-American. The Israeli military said Tuesday that it would not bring criminal charges against soldiers involved in the death of a 78-year-old Palestinian-American who was dragged from a car, bound and blindfolded after being stopped at an impromptu checkpoint last year...Even in the most shocking cases — and those captured on video — soldiers often get relatively light sentences. The deaths of American citizens have drawn outsized attention, such as the killing of prominent Palestinian-American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh last year in the Jenin refugee camp last year. Several independent investigations determined that Abu Akleh was likely killed by Israeli fire. Israeli officials eventually conceded that an Israeli soldier probably killed her but ruled out any criminal investigation into her death."
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-american-death-west-bank-debbda0add8f777b045ca8b55034d77f
I recommend the book, My Life, by Golda Meir. It is an autobiography and OBVIOUSLY, it is "her side of the story", but it is straight from the horse's mouth so to speak. It is a very good read.
ReplyDeleteWhen we think of the modern state of Israel, we naturally think of skyscrapers and freeways and shopping malls and all the things that go with a well established country, but it is important to remind ourselves that it wasn't like it is now when the sparse number of Palestinians roamed around there. The land was unusable. Either swamp or desert. And the Palestinians had no problem AT ALL selling it to Jews who bought it up one small patch at a time. In fact they thought the Jews were fools to think they could eek out a living on this useless ground.
Determination and talent built that little country with blood sweat and tears starting in small communes of families who worked like dogs to improve land and turn it into a place they could life secure and in peace. They didn't steal this land. They bought and paid for it. And if now they choose not to sell it to anyone but a Jew, I'm fine with that.
I don't know what the stats are in this current war. I don't care to know. If Israel wiped them all out I wouldn't care about that either.
Oct. 7 should never have happened, but until Hamas is on their knees begging mercy and forgiveness then I support Israel.
The Stern Gang was not known for purchasing land, except through the blood of the "sellers." In 1948, the land was not "purchased." It was invaded.
DeleteAnonymous @ 4:14...Do you support Ukraine? Look at allllll their war crimes. I don't like MY money going there.
ReplyDeleteChriss, I'm going to order that book. Thank you for that and also for your comment.
ReplyDeleteHere is a good interview with a Palistian pastor and Tucker Carlson that all should watch. https://tuckercarlson.com/uncensored-munther/ We need to educate ourselves.
ReplyDeleteChris Rainey, None of this would be legal in the U.S. It is also not Christian: "And if now they choose not to sell it to anyone but a Jew, I'm fine with that. I don't know what the stats are in this current war. I don't care to know. If Israel wiped them all out I wouldn't care about that either. Oct. 7 should never have happened, but until Hamas is on their knees begging mercy and forgiveness then I support Israel."
ReplyDeleteNot sure what you will be asked at judgement, but think this might come into it: "Love your neighbor as I have loved you." Who is my neighbor ? the 'law-abiding' Jews responded and Jesus answered that too--to include non-Jews. Whether you read the reports or not, you are on record as supporting this type of warfare that kills women and children and destroys their homes: "Israel's 'Where's Daddy?' AI system helps target SUSPECTED Hamas militants when they're at home with their families, report says"
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ai-system-wheres-daddy-strikes-hamas-family-homes-2024
P.S. "Determination and talent built that little country with blood sweat and tears starting in small communes of families who worked like dogs to improve land and turn it into a place they could life secure and in peace." What/who do you think built Gaza? The U.N. says it will take 14 years to rebuild that country which Israel destroyed with U.S. arms.
Are these the 'pioneers' you're talking about?
https://vaticancatholic.com/jewish-promoter-of-zionism-says-you-have-to-brainwash-all-the-time-video/
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThe Gaza strip is not a country.
The people who live there elected terriorists for leaders. They deserve what they get.
I think you maybe don't understand war. It is always brutal and ugly. People die and stuff gets torn up. That's why we should avoid it, but once it starts, there is only one way to end it. Bring your enemy to his knees.
If "people die...there is only one way to end it. Bring your enemy to his knees," then why is it bad for your enemies to want you to (referring to their words, not mine) "all die"? Why is Susan Matthiesen whining? Why is it bad if the anti-Zionists don't care if Zionists are (borrowing your words), "wiped out"?
DeleteOur country has elected a lot of bad leaders too, Chriss. Do we deserve everything we're getting from the invasion at the border, the war against the middle class and the attack against Christians?
ReplyDeleteIn a Democracy, which is a modernist concept borrowed from Plato, the majority in control most certainly bears responsibility for the outcomes of their decisions. The following is a quote from Liberalism and Catholicism, written in 1926, by Fr. Roussel, highly respected by Archbishop Lefebvre.
ReplyDelete"Is Democracy a superior form of government? Reason easily shows the contrary. To be convinced in this, one would simply have to consult the manuals of natural law, or listen to the teachings of profound intellectuals of the 19th century; from Joseph de Maistre to Charles Maurras. Democracy was TENTATIVELY shown to be the best form of government; it would better assure the absolute value of the human person; it would be more apt to make justice reign and to bring about the happiness of the people. Pope Pius X in his Encyclical on the Sillon, OVERTURNED THESE PRETENTIONS OF FETISH DEMOCRATISM IN RECALLING THE WORDS OF LEO XIII: 'Justice is compatible with the three known forms of government.... in this respect, Democracy does not have any privilege.' Pius XI repeats the common opinion in showing that 'the representatives of MODERN GOVERNMENTS...WHERE THE PEOPLE PARTAKE MORE IN THE DIRECTION OF THE STATE....lend themselves more easily than any other institution to the DISLOYAL GAME OF FACTIONS. This fact is not hard to see."
In my opinion it is shown to be a dangerous concept for society to allow the masses to choose its leaders. The majority of the public are uneducated, nonreligious fools easily taken in by the sectarian ideas of Freemasonry and the liberty to do whatever you want. Sadly we live in such a condition and yes, however much Orthodox Traditional Catholics reject it, we get along with the liberal left who elects these modernists exactly what is deserved by the nation as a whole.
You mean "ROYALIST" Traditional Catholics. There may be 300 of those in the world. And they have yet to anoint a king--or even to point to a candidate.
DeleteFurther, "Democracy does not have privilege" does not (in English, anyway) mean that democracy is not apt. We all know that of the forms, democracy is least-worst.
I think we should return attention to the original comment by the young Pro Hamas liberal that shouted at Susan. Understand that people like her, and to be sure, she is NOT alone with their power to vote and control those with whom they disagree is what democracy looks like. Where is the "social justice" in wanting us to die? Where is the benefit to Christians to be led my elected officials that placate and apease the demonic mob seeking the death of Israel? Certainly Hamas has no objection to these monstrous ideas. And anyone who has been sucked in by their lies and propaganda is terribly terribly misguided.
ReplyDeleteReplace Hamas with Zionism, liberal with reactionary and Israel with Palestinians. Then take a good, extra long look in the mirror.
DeleteAmerica was formed as a Constitutional Republic not a Democracy. Unfortunately, there is little respect for the Constitution these days. As for the screaming mimi, she is like the mob that Jesus observed from the cross saying, "Father, forgive them; they know not what they do." He did not call on the legions of angels to nuke them, although that's what some of the apostles recommended earlier when towns opposed Jesus. I guess Christ's followers haven't changed much since the first century. We'd rather not walk in the bloody footsteps of a crucified Jesus. We'd rather inflict the bloodletting on the enemy.
ReplyDeleteYes, I can say, "Father forgive the stupid girl for she hasn't a clue what's she's doing," but if she ever barged into my home and raised her hand with a knife or gun in it against me in order for her wish to come true that I die, I'd kill her right on the spot to protect the lives of my loved ones as well as myself. If that's "inflicting bloodletting on the enemy", so be it.
ReplyDeleteInstead of going to the protest she should get a one way ticket to live in Gaza if that is so wonderful.
DeleteYou're comparing apples and oranges, Susan. Protecting yourself from a person intent on attacking you as an individual is a little different than nuking or firebombing a city and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians like we did at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The bomb in Nagasaki, a city evangelized by the Jesuits and filled with Christians, went off above the cathedral where nuns were gathered with school children praying for an end to the war. Did they deserve to die because the Japanese were our enemies? I'm surprised at both you and Chriss.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, respectfully,
ReplyDeleteI don't understand how you can equate Hamas with Zionism.
Given the LONG HISTORY of antisemitism, how can anyone come to the conclusion that a place of their own is not a desirable concept for a people that has endured a massive attempt at their extermination AND the refusal to rescue them by the rest of the world that KNEW what was happening to them and chose instead to stonewall their emigration which COULD HAVE saved tens of thousands of them.
Read "The Abandonment of the Jews" and tell me then they should not dream of of s land of their own.
Chriss, respectfully.
DeleteIf X has been wronged by A, justice demands that "A" right that wrong. C or D or L,G,B and T are not responsible. Any move to deprive them of anything because of what A did is an injustice. "A" must right the wrong he inflicted on X. If X steals something from anyone else in compensation for what A did, not only is A still on the hook, but X has now committed a crime too.
If Zionists feel they must have a land of their own, then it must be made from a piece or the whole of Germany. (I personally don't care if they add Austria, Ukraine, the Baltic republics, Poland and the erstwhile Czechoslovakian territory to the mix because of their so-called anti-Semitism. Italy too since it was part of the Axis and an ally of Hitler.) The people who live there now can move somewhere else in Europe. There's nice infrastructure that can be expropriated. Being the ziono-judeo-latrist scholar that you claim to be, I'm sure you won't mind if the empty churches are turned into synagogues. St. Peter's Basilica can be renamed Shabbat Pesach Baruch, easy peasy.
It cannot be that Madagascar must pay (which was a serious consideration for a Zionist homeland) or Palestine and Palestinians as is the case now. Palestine was/is not "a land without a people for a people without a land" as claimed by the Zionists. What's happening to the Palestinians is a crime.
Chriss, Why don't you read, "Night" by Elie Wiesel? He said when he got off the train at Auschwitz only by luck was he diverted from a burning pit into which Nazis were throwing live babies and anyone who couldn't work (others say Auschwitz is built on a swamp and cannot dig three feet before hitting water). Keep reading his book and you will find that his father who never worked a day in his life at the work camp due to poor health refugeed with Eli Wiesel who had just had a foot operation for frostbite and the Nazis when the Russians were coming. They were not killed as a 'final solution' or because they couldn't work: they were given the choice to evacuate with the Nazis or stay to be liberated by the Soviets. There are no gas chambers mentioned in "Night." Eli said: “Which is better, truth that is a lie or the lie that is truth?”
ReplyDeletehttps://www.goodreads.com/quotes/188633-which-is-better-truth-that-is-a-lie-or-the
I don't like people who lie to me--especially about other people, i.e. "arabs" or "nazis." If they lie about those people, they will lie about me. How they treat those people, is how they will treat me. I think it is their religion--and if I were you I would research that too. The Son of God came down to earth to reform their religion, but they rejected and killed the messenger. You need to really think about that. Why is their a universal rejection of people from that religion? Why is there the play "the merchant of venice" -- because everyone just discriminates for no reason?
Jonathan Pollard, Spy for Israel, Gets Hero’s Welcome From Netanyahu: ‘You’re Home’
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/30/world/middleeast/jonathan-pollard-israel-us-spy.html
You need to do more research on "the Holocaust." Including "Night." and what "holocaust" and "six million" mean to them
https://holocausthandbooks.com/
Netanyahu Warns Putin That Iran Wants to Destroy 6 Million Jews
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-09/netanyahu-meets-putin-as-russia-debates-deal-for-syrian-missiles
Anonymous, you will probably never come across another person who has done more extensive reading on antisemitism and WWII than I have. I have an impressive personal library on the subjects. I live near Washington, DC and I have visited and spent hours reading the exhibits and displays at the Holocaust Museum there.
ReplyDeleteYou are lecturing the wrong person when it comes to having the need to be better informed.
You need to diversify your reading.
DeleteDid you know that Zyklon B was used to fight Typhus? That U.S. had a typhus vaccine but refused to share with the Germans to shorten the war? That 3 million died of Typhus in WWI? Did you ever see a photo of prisoners from Andersonville who had dysentery and same diet as confederates (commander was executed as war criminal)? You can see @1:27 the similarity. The site I linked to has several videos which include transcripts. This is from "probing the holocaust," (1:29-1:36)
ReplyDelete"One of the final exhibits at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C.sums up the importance of the information presented in this video. Museum visitors are bombarded with film clips taken after the Allies captured concentration and labor camps. These films are meant to represent proof of a deliberate German extermination policy.
But you have now seen many of these clips, explained and debunked. Near the end of the museum’s main exhibit two banks of three video monitors flanking a fallen Nazi flag play film footage taken after camps were captured by the Allies.
Each of the three monitors is dedicated to one of the three major Allied powers: the Soviet Union, United States and Great Britain. On this screen is US Army footage taken at Nordhausen, Dachau and Buchenwald. The caption reads: “Local German civilians are ordered to tour Buchenwald Concentration Camp.” This is an American army official gathering Germans around the supposed human-skin lamp shade and the table filled with propaganda props. Visitors are shown the Dachau death trains full of victims of Allied bombing and strafing attacks. Majdanek, the outside of a real shower facility, “Bath and Disinfection II,” and the inside of “Bath and Disinfection I” showing the real, working shower room. Again, the camera is angled away from the many windows. The caption reads: “Soviet Army officers inspect chambers where prisoners were killed by poison gas.” Today, every serious mainstream historian acknowledges this wasn’t a gas chamber with fake shower heads, it was a real working shower room designed to keep prisoners alive and free of disease. Again, the bulldozer pushing epidemic typhus victims into a mass grave at Bergen-Belsen. A disaster, but not deliberate or planned.
On the last television screen, we’re shown footage of Nordhausen bombed to smithereens by 500 British warplanes over two days. Much like at the Nuremberg trials, the final shot we are shown before moving on to the exhibit on post-war trials is the victim of British war planes at Nordhausen with his exposed brains. How sick to show gory imagery of Allied air attack victims as proof of the evilness of Germans. Mothers rushing their children past this section never question the context of this imagery. This is powerful, trauma-based mind control used to brainwash, not by using logic and facts, but by searing these horror images into a captive audience’s mind, and manipulating emotions with mendacious narrations.
Real shower rooms, phony planted evidence like this lamp shade, and victims of Allied bombing are not proof of a genocide using gas chambers, disguised as shower rooms. We were manipulated, misled and lied to. We were shown images taken during the final days of a destroyed and collapsed Germany as proof of a systematic, planned extermination program. Upon further investigation by the western Allies, these claims of extermination camps equipped with homicidal gas chambers in western-liberated camps have fallen by the wayside.
However, the powerful imagery of these western-liberated, overcrowded, disease-infested camps, devastated due to the Allied bombing campaign in the final months of the worst war in the history of mankind is still used to brainwash the public as proof of an extermination program of gas chambers disguised as shower rooms in camps captured by the Soviet Union.
https://holocausthandbooks.com/video/probing-the-holocaust/
Also while the museum still shows human skin lampshade film (you can view the picture here): "After the defeat of Nazi Germany, claims circulated that Ilse Koch, wife of the commandant of Buchenwald concentration camp, had possessed lampshades made of human skin, and had tattooed prisoners killed, specifically, in order to use their skin for this purpose.[11] After her conviction for war crimes, General Lucius D. Clay, the interim military governor of the American Zone in Germany, reduced her sentence to four years' prison on the grounds "there was no convincing evidence that she had selected Nazi concentration camp inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins, or that she possessed any articles made of human skin".[12]
ReplyDeleteThe charges were made once more when she was rearrested, but again were found to be groundless.[12] The Buchenwald Memorial Foundation states that:
For the existence of a lampshade from human skin there are two credible witnesses who made statements under oath: Dr. Gustav Wegerer, an Austrian political prisoner and kapo of the infirmary, and Josef Ackermann, a political prisoner and secretary of the camp doctor Waldemar Hoven.
It was their "testimony" - not evidence. "The lampshade displayed as part of the tour of the camp at Buchenwald (and in the film at the holocaust museum) was not part of the materials tested for authenticity by U.S. Army personnel after World War II although pieces of tanned and tattooed skin found at the camp were judged to be human by the Head of Pathology at Seventh Medical Laboratory in New York. (they were African artifacts (you can look at them and judge for yourself))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin#
Her 2nd trial sentenced her to life imprisonment and she hanged herself in 1967.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch
This novel, "Exodus" was in my local library in the 1970s and I believed every word about Ilse Koch et al: "She heard the names of thousands of lesser ones: Ilse Koch, who won infamy by making lampshades out of human tattooed skins ... The name of the greatest killer of them all came up over and over again: Eichmann, the German Palestinian who spoke fluent Hebrew and was the master of genocide....Polish prisoner Dr. Wladislaw Dering performed castrations and ovariectomies ordered by his German masters as part of their insane program to find a way to sterilize the entire Jewish race. "
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I didn't know Dering sued for libel in 1964!!!!!!! and WON, but the disinfo is still published TODAY about him w/no disclaimer whatsoever (nor about Ilse Koch): "Dering v Uris and Others was a 1964 English libel suit brought by Polish-born Wladislaw Dering [de] against the American writer Leon Uris.[1] It was described at the time as the first war crimes trial held in Britain.
Dering alleged that Uris had libelled him in a footnote in his novel Exodus, which described his participation in medical experiments in Auschwitz concentration camp during the Holocaust. The case was tried in the High Court of Justice before Justice Lawton and a jury between April and May 1964. On 6 May, the jury returned a verdict for Dering, but awarded him contemptuous damages of one halfpenny, the smallest coin in the currency. As a result, Dering became liable for the defendants' legal costs.
"Here in Block X Dr. Wirths used women as guinea pigs and Dr. Schumann sterilized by castration and X-ray and Clauberg removed ovaries and Dr. Dehring performed 17,000 'experiments' in surgery without anaesthetics."
In court, Dering denied having carried out experimental operations. He claimed he removed prisoners' sexual organs because Schumann had asked Dering to assist him by removing the organs. He did not feel he could refuse, because he thought it was better for him to perform the operations than if they were performed by an untrained person. Furthermore, he claimed the organs he removed were already damaged, and that he removed them for the benefit of the prisoners' health. He also claimed he feared for his life if he did not comply with Schumann's request. Finally, he denied having operated without anaesthetics, and claimed that of the 17,000 operations he performed at Auschwitz, only about 130 were not ordinary proper operations.[2][1]
The defence admitted that the figure of 17,000 'experiments' was inflated, and that some anesthetic was administered. However, they disputed Dering's claim that his life would have been in danger if he had not carried out the operations. They also disputed Dering's claim that the anesthesia was effective. The defence presented a number of witnesses who had been operated upon by Dering, as well as prisoner-doctors who had worked with Dering. The doctors testified that they had refused the Nazi doctors' requests to assist them in their experiments, and had not been punished as a consequence.[1] (Really!!!! The Nazis didn't punish someone!!!) ... At a news conference held at the Howard Hotel by Uris and publisher Kimber, Uris is reported to have made a comment that future editions of Exodus would omit Dering's name....Uris had copied his data from Underground: The Story of a People by Joseph Tenenbaum when he referred to doctors working in Auschwitz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dering_v_Uris
But you see what it says today : Dering performed castrations as part of an insane german plan to try to find a way to sterilize the entire Jewish race--castrating them one by one w/out anesthesia...before gassing them to death.
Eichmann (and Hitler) collaborated with the Zionists to transport Jews to Palestine. [Germans would have been happy to send all the Jews to Palestine and arm them to fight the British.]
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Even though the numbers killed at all the camps has been continually revised downward, Israeli press still in 2019 presents Germans killing 6 million after cooperating w/the Zionists to ship Jews to palestine before coming to a 'final solution' --so how could Hitler EVER kill all of them when he'd shipped thousands to Palestine?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/when-a-nazi-toured-the-holy-land-to-find-a-solution-for-the-jewish-problem/
And to top it all off, the infamous SS-Hptscharf. Adolf Eichmann, had visited Palestine, in October, 1937, as the guest of the Zionists. He also met, in Egypt, with Feivel Polkes, a Zionist operative, whom Eichmann described as a "leading Haganah functionary." The chain-smoking Polkes was also on the Nazis' payroll "as an informer." Brenner isn't the first writer to address the mostly taboo subject of how the Zionist leadership cooperated with the Nazis. Rolf Hilberg's seminal "The Destruction of European Jews"; Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem"; Ben Hecht's "Perfidy"; Edwin Black's "The Transfer Agreement"; Francis R. Nicosia's "The Third Reich and the Palestine Question"; Rudolf Vrba and Alan Bestic's "I Cannot Forgive"; and Rafael Medoff's "The Deadening Silence: American Jews and the Holocaust," also dared, with varying public success.
After the Holocaust began in 1942, Eichmann dealt regularly with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a Hungarian Jew, whom he considered a "fanatical Zionist." Kastner was later assassinated in Israel as a Nazi collaborator. At issue then, however, was the bargaining over the eventual fate of Hungary's Jews, who were slated for liquidation in the Nazi-run death camps. EICHMANN SAID this ABOUT KASTNER, the ZIONIST representative, "I believe that [he] would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was NOT INTERESTED IN OLD JEWS or THOSE who had become ASSIMILATED into Hungarian society. `YOU CAN HAVE the others,' he would say, `but let me have this group here.' And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful. I would let his groups escape." ...[after] 1935, that there were only two flags that were permitted to be displayed in all of Nazi Germany. One was Hitler's favorite, the Swastika. The other was the blue and white banner of Zionism. The Zionists were also allowed to publish their own newspaper. The reasons for this Reich-sponsored favoritism was, according to the author: The Zionists and the Nazis had a common interest, making German Jews emigrate to Palestine...Avraham Stern, the leader of the notorious "Stern Gang," late in 1940, made a written proposal to Hitler, by which the Jewish militias in Palestine, would fight on "Germany's side," in the war against England, in exchange for the Nazis help in resolving the "Jewish Question" in Europe, and their assistance in creating an "historic Jewish state." ... deranged Stern had further bragged about how the Zionist organizations were "closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in [their] ideology and structure." Stern's obscene proposal was found in the German embassy, in Turkey, after WWII.... https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338#customerReviews
Anonymous, like Mary Ann always says, "Since you have so much to say, why don't you start your own blog?"
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