Journalist Obtains Exclusive Access to World Report on Summorum Pontificum: Francis' Restrictions Based on Lies
Pope Francis lied to the world about the bishops' responses to the survey about implementing the TLM in their dioceses. The survey responses almost universally showed a positive impact with recommendations to leave Summorum Pontificum alone. Parishes using both forms, the TLM and the Novus Ordo, had little or no division among parishioners and the TLM tended to increase reverence at the Novus Ordo. That didn't stop lying Francis from issuing Traditiones Custodes with its draconian repressions.
Frankly, I wonder if there are more divisions in parishes offering hybrid bi-lingual liturgies where the entire congregation doesn't understand half the Mass. There was no such problem when Latin was recognized as the language of the Church. People learned many of the prayers and sang the Sanctus, the Agnus Dei and even the Creed. And the missal made the Mass accessible to anyone who could read. The atmosphere of reverence made just being there a prayer uniting oneself to God's love!
The Vatican, of course, is now practicing damage control, not very convincingly. Rorate Caeli described their attempts in their article, The Shifting Sands of Traditionis custodes:
The only defense the TC defenders are left with is that the Pope does not need to listen to any advice he receives; he is completely free to do whatever he wants. In this they are correct, but there are consequences to such freedom. To see this, let us engage in a thought exercise: what if, in the accompanying letter for Traditionis custodes, the Pope stated that what he was considering was a position most bishops did not hold, but that he nonetheless felt compelled to take? He wouldn’t include that because it would obviously sabotage the effectiveness of the decree, by pointing out that a majority were opposed. It is why the spin for a long time was that a majority did in fact support it, going off of the Pope’s own framing of the matter.
A comparison to the commission Paul VI convened to discuss birth control does not prove what they think it does. A reasonable case could be made that while a majority of the commission favored changing Church teaching on birth control, a majority of the world's bishops at the time did not favor changing it. Here, in 2020, we have reasonable grounds to believe a majority of the world's bishops opposed Traditionis custodes -- and still do. How long, as Pope, do you keep a discipline in place that most of your fellow bishops oppose?
Another blow to TC and Pope Francis' reputation has come out with the publication of a book released just days ago, The Liturgy Is Not a Show: The Questionnaire to Bishops on the Old Rite — A Weapon of Mass Destruction? The book was scheduled for an October release, but the date was pushed up after Montagna's article. Currently it's only in Italian but Catholicism.org provided some additional data in their AI generated article, Leaked Report Grows: New Book Blows Hole in Traditionis Custodes Narrative:
- The book contains the sections Montagna had previously published: the “Overall Assessment” of the survey results and a collection of quotes (“Florilegium“) from bishops’ responses. It also includes a previously undisclosed section: the CDF’s detailed summaries on the implementation of Summorum Pontificum continent by continent and country by country. [Emphasis in original]
- This newly revealed section provides specific data. For example, it notes that 65% of U.S. dioceses responded to the survey, with 62% of those bishops reporting that the Extraordinary Form (EF) met a genuine pastoral need and led to a fruitful faith life for attendees.
News of St. Margaret’s exemption comes after the Archdiocese of Detroit announced earlier this month that non-parish churches in the archdiocese will be allowed to continue celebrating the TLM despite an earlier statement saying that most of the TLM celebrated in the area would be suspended.
The archdiocese reported that permissions given to parish church priests to carry out the TLM would expire and they could not be renewed, but Detroit Archbishop Edward Weisenburger said he would recognize at least four non-parish locations in the archdiocese where the TLM could still be celebrated.
There are many clerical enemies of the TLM in the U.S., but they can't frustrate the will of God. I have no doubt that the continuation of the Mass of Ages, what truly can be called the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will continue. Will it be in underground locations? Or will Pope Leo bring this saint making sacrifice that helps atone for sin be welcomed back into the heart of the Church. Time will tell. Prayer and sacrifice will help -- all through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Years ago I went to a bilingual NO. It was very trying for me. Not because it was partly in Spanish. But because I found it so disjointed. Everything was divided up into English or Spanish. To make it even worse there was some diocese campaign that weekend so we were subjected to two audios- English then Spanish -of the Cardinal explaining why we need to give to the campaign.
ReplyDeleteI would've preferred if they'd just done the whole Mass in Spanish! I thought it emphasized the cultural divide rather than being unifying.
On the other hand, at Mass a couple weeks ago I noticed the family in front of me had a Latin/Spanish missal. I wouldn't have given it a notice that they were Spanish speaking had I not seen the missal. It's more unifying when we all are at a Latin mass!
I totally agree. And the Communion rail is a great equalizer with a janitor kneeling next to a lawyer and a college professor kneeling next to a student. We've lost a lot since Vatican II.
DeleteIf you enjoy and find TLM meaningful, then go. I don’t understand a word of it, so it’s very easy for me to tune out and start thinking that the ceiling needs repainting. I’ve tried it several times and our local historic church is one that does a monthly Mass, but it’s all “Greek” to me.
DeleteI grew up with the TLM and never had a problem as a child entering into the worship. Things changed the year I got married and the NO was introduced (1969). COVID was the impetus for going to the TLM at the fairground, the only Mass being offered here with the churches all closed. It took awhile to get used to it again, but now I love it as I did as a child when I went to daily Mass with my mom. There are significant differences between the TLM which is offered as a sacrifice in atonement for sin and the NO which is primarily a shared banquet. One focuses coompletely on God; the other focuses on man. Just one example illustrates it. The priest used to face the tabernacle, leading the flock to God as a shepherd leads the sheep. Now he turns his back on God to celebrate a communal meal with man. I don't go to the TLM because I "enjoy" it; I go because it more truly worships God. And notice how many priests have become showmen because of facing the people. It's a serious temptation.
DeleteI remember when I first entered the NO, my sponsor telling me we can go to Mass all over the world and know what's going on. Well, not really...only when It's said in Latin can we 100% follow it. Big difference.
ReplyDeleteAKA Catholic has a different take on Montagna's article (which is well worth reading IMO).
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One of the sentences he invites people to more closely scrutinize: “The majority of bishops who responded to the questionnaire, AND who have generously and intelligently implemented Summorum Pontificum, ultimately express satisfaction with it,” the reportedly leaked assessment said. “In places where the clergy have closely cooperated with the bishop, the situation has become completely pacified,” it added. [so those bishops who complained were stingy and stupid in their implementation and the others may also have had problems in implementing but were ULTIMATELY satisfied. Also controversy has been completely pacified when clergy closely cooperated with the bishop (i.e. clergy pulling back to pacify complaints (?)).]
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/vatican-spokesman-traditionis-custodes
Even the sentence you give:"65% of U.S. dioceses responded to the survey, with 62% of those bishops reporting that the Extraordinary Form (EF) met a genuine pastoral need and led to a fruitful faith life for attendees." 194 dioceses. 126 responses. 78 or only 40% say there is a genuine pastoral need and that EF led to a fruitful faith life.
Worldwide according to aka catholic who got info from DM's piece only 30% responded. And after 20 years only 20% had implemented (i.e. 80% of dioceses didn't even implement).
But how many US Catholics are represented by even 40% dioceses that were positive? On June 26, Rorate published that 7.1% of American Catholics (and this includes CMRI, SSPX, CSPV etc.) attend TLM and only 13% have attended one in last 5 years as surveyed by Pew.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2025/06/13-of-all-us-catholics-attended.html#more
Here's another view of same survey: "Very few Catholics report regularly attending a TLM today. Overall, 2% of Catholics say they do this at least weekly, 1% do so once or twice a month, and 2% do so a few times a year. An additional 8% say they either seldom or never attend a TLM “these days,” while 87% of U.S. Catholics have not attended one at any point in the last five years." [Due to statistical error this site questions that 1 million American Catholics are attending a TLM.]
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2025/06/26/is-the-traditional-latin-mass-booming/
Getting back regarding Pope Francis being a liar......excerpt from ......
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Louie Verrecchio is now, sedevacantist, nevertheless, read his interesting insights regarding Diane's Montagnas 'bombshell'.......
......."This, Montagna insists, “according to the official report” is what “the majority of bishops had actually requested.”
Her math doesn’t even come close to adding up. Neither does the following statement made by Montagna:
.....[Francis] told the bishops that he was “constrained” by their “requests” to revoke not only Summorum Pontificum but “all the norms, instructions, permissions and customs” that preceded his new decree....
This simply isn’t true. What Bergoglio stated in his explanatory letter to the bishops, which
I invite you to reread to confirm for yourself, is the following:
.....In defense of the unity of the Body of Christ, I am constrained to revoke the faculty granted by my Predecessors. [Emphasis added]
This he said in light of, not survey results or specific requests from bishops, but rather the idea that:
........[There is a] close connection between the choice of celebrations according to the liturgical books prior to Vatican Council II and the rejection of the Church and her institutions in the name of what is called the “true Church.”
In many cases (e.g., mine to be sure), this is absolutely true. Francis went on repeat this same concern:
......I am nonetheless saddened that the instrumental use of Missale Romanum of 1962 is often characterized by a rejection not only of the liturgical reform, but of the Vatican Council II itself, claiming, with unfounded and unsustainable assertions, that it betrayed the Tradition and the “true Church”.
No, it cannot be said that the questionnaire results served as the alleged “foundation” for Traditionis Custodes. So, what is?
IT’S THE COUNCIL, STUPID!
Bergoglio was very clear, his decision to suppress the Traditional Latin Mass rested squarely on Vatican Council II, which was mentioned no less than twenty times between Traditionis Custodes and the letter to bishops that accompanied it. He writes:
To doubt the Council is to doubt the intentions of those very Fathers who exercised their collegial power in a solemn manner cum Petro et sub Petro in an ecumenical council, and, in the final analysis, to doubt the Holy Spirit himself who guides the Church.
And what was the Council’s intention? Francis describes it, accurately”
......The Bishops gathered in ecumenical council asked that it [the Traditional Roman Rite] be reformed.
I don't think your two comments change anything. And after reading Verecchio's article, I don't know how he can ignore the fact that Francis said he was making the decision based on the "bishops' request." So the survey appears to have been an important part of the decision despite Verrechio's statement that it was nothing but Vatican II.
DeleteWe all have seen that Francis only listened to those bishops who agreed with him. He never answered the dubia and disciplined bishops who disturbed him (often ignoring their canon law rights) He simply did whatever he wanted on a number of issues.
The number of traditional Catholics is irrelevant to the primary point. Did Francis distort the bishops survey? Absolutely! No matter what percentage participated, he spun the results. It seems to me that the Gamaliel approach is the correct one. Leave those celebrating and attending the TLM alone. If it's not from God, it will evaporate. If it's from God, you'll be fighting against God. I think that is where we are. I'm not a fan of Loui Verecchio (AKA Catholic). I used to read his blog but rarely go there now.
2 different people--I did the 1st. However, you can read TC, it is as Verechhio quoted: "In defense of the unity of the Body of Christ, I am constrained to revoke the faculty..." 2 paragraphs later: "Responding to your requests, I take the firm decision to abrogate all the norms, instructions, permissions and customs..." https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/letters/2021/documents/20210716-lettera-vescovi-liturgia.html
DeleteDM combined the two: "He told the bishops that he was “constrained” by their “requests” to revoke not only Summorum Pontificum but “all the norms, instructions, permissions and customs”
https://dianemontagna.substack.com/p/exclusive-official-vatican-report
You say that the numbers don't matter, but you argue that Pope Francis mis-represented the bishops, that a majority wanted to keep SP.
You also ignore what SP said: "IN SOME REGIONS, however, NOT A FEW of the faithful continued to be attached with such love and affection to the earlier liturgical forms which had deeply shaped their culture and spirit, ...Given the CONTINUED REQUESTS of these members of the faithful...we decree the following..." "In Masses celebrated WITHOUT A CONGREGATION, any Catholic priest of the Latin rite, whether secular or regular, may use either Missal, and may do so on any day, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE EASTER TRIDUUM." Was this a trap for SSPX? Every order that went TLM was suppressed/investigated: "If communities of Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, whether of pontifical or diocesan right, wish to celebrate the conventual or community Mass in their own oratories according to the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal, they are permitted to do so. If an individual community or an entire Institute or Society wishes to have such celebrations frequently, habitually or permanently, the matter is to be decided by the Major Superiors according to the norm of law and their particular laws and statutes. Art. 4. The celebrations of Holy Mass mentioned above in Art. 2 may be attended also by members of the lay faithful who SPONTANEOUSLY request to do so...Art. 6. In Masses with a congregation celebrated according to the Missal of Blessed John XXIII, the readings may be proclaimed also in the vernacular, using editions approved by the Apostolic See [ Francis changed to ONLY proclaimed in the vernacular using VCII editions]). Art. 10. The local Ordinary, should he judge it OPPORTUNE, may erect A personal parish"
https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/motu_proprio/documents/hf_be n-xvi_motu-proprio_20070707_summorum-pontificum.html
TC: "Indications about how to proceed in your dioceses are chiefly dictated by two principles: on the one hand, to provide for the good of those who are rooted in the previous form of celebration and need to return in due time to the Roman Rite promulgated by Saints Paul VI and John Paul II, and, on the other hand, to discontinue the erection of new personal parishes tied more to the desire and wishes of individual priests than to the real need of the “holy People of God.”"
https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/letters/2021/documents/20210716-lettera-vescovi-liturgia.html
If there were no SSPX, there would be no FSSP--don't care how many 'requested' it. I appreciate your loyalty in continuing to attend SSPX but don't understand why you also run with the dioceses and conservative Catholics. Verecchio attends diocesan FSSP (last I heard) while being sedevacantist. Many seem to think complaint in blog cancels their complicity in person. This new faith, new mass (all new sacraments that aren't necessary for salvation: be a good muslim, atheist etc.) and new (lack of) morals is taught to children as the Catholic faith--most will never know the difference. Maybe God doesn't want blurred lines: TLM along side the gay parish; new mass and TLM. Maybe God wants the faithful to separate themselves from this lie (the real liar, liar pants on fire), to shout from that it is a lie and stand where the true faith is still believed and taught.
I agree that there would be no FSSP without the SSPX. There would likely only be isolated chapels like the one in Annandale, VA pastored by Fr. Ringrose. Not sure what you mean by "you also run with the dioceses and conservative Catholics.." If you mean do I respect those who go to the NO and priests who do their best to keep the faith and foster it among their flocks, yes I do. I know many NO Catholics who put traditionalists (including me) to shame. Jesus said he who is not against me is with me. St. Paul said, "To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak. I became all things to all men, that I might save all." Mary showed us the way at Fatima: prayer and penance.
DeleteLet's be real, and remember what happened after Second Vatican Council, and why 'faithful' Catholics, above all the Latin Mass, was underground, priests (SSPX) and the faithful were persecuted, why the holy Mass was offered in barns, hotel rooms, basements.......etc., dividing Catholics, like in no time in the history of the church........ while Novus Ordo Catholics were (are) swaying to the Protestant 'Amazing grace.'
ReplyDeletePope Francis was the most obedient pupil of his predecessors. He was the product, and the
result of what was in the mind of the 'revolution' within the Church.
Please, go to tradition in action, and do search on Church Revolution in pictures, begin from the bottom......will be clear why God blessed us with Pope Francis, to be tried in fire, for the good of saving souls. The false 'love of neighbor', the false ecumenism, 'religious liberty,' 'collegiality', modernism, liberalism......etc., that the holy Church is groaning from .......was fulfilled in Pope Francis.
I've seen Tradition in Action. I own and have read Previews of the New Papacy by Marian Horvat and Atila Guimaraes. I considered much of it scandalous, both what was happening in the Church, but also the authors putting the worst construction on everything. The portion with photos of Pope John Paul II with a young woman and little boy from an Italian magazine, OGGI, disgusted me. The magazine looked like the rag sheet at the check out stand in the grocery store with headlines about aliens and the latest celebrity rumors. The title was "Papa Wojtyla" clearly implying he had a family. I haven't paid much attention to them since then.
DeleteI understand how you feel, many Catholics have been so scandalized, seeing scandalous pictures, the betrayal, and compromise speaks volumes. For centuries, Catholics have been spared looking at pictures, reading bloggers headlines, and comments from confused Catholics. They were less guilty, and longer on their knees. Yes, it’s so much easier to throw stones at Pope Francis…….many scales have fallen from the Novus Ordo blind eyes, and deaf ears…….but not all.
ReplyDeleteAlso, keep in mind the Catholic ‘split soup’ that is so scattered, and miserably divided did not happen because of a ‘liar’ Pope Francis…….
Unfortunately Francis wasn't (and isn't) the only liar in a Roman collar. Church history is full of them and we have an army of them today. Catholics need to be critical thinkers and "as wise as serpents and gentle as doves."
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