|If you want to find the truth, you'll need a machete to clear|
the kudzu of innuendo, half truths and falsehoods spread by CM.
Church: I don't know what's driving this [CM's hate-on for the SSPX], but I suspect that there must be some [unfinished sentence]....When we're talking about government corruption, man, what do you do? Look for the money....I don't see why there would be any difference here.Gaspers: There are some disturbing accusations made in this report.... I don't have the inside information....I'm just like anyone else reading this. It has to be independently confirmed and verified. They quote from people they claim to be eyewitnesses and have eye-witness testimony of things. Maybe it's true and I certainly don't want to discount anyone who has actually suffered abuse or know someone who has, but because of their lack of integrity, I think that's the only way to say it, their lack of integrity in the past...you can't just take them at face value any more. All of this stuff that they've presented is going to have to be independently verified through unbiased sources.
Church: [After saying his show will never defend pederasts, whether they're wearing roman collars or not, Church continues the discussion.] It's not a source if it's anonymous. If you cannot tell me what the source is and you say it's anonymous then, by definition, Matt, it's not a source.
Gaspers: Let me give you something similar to that. They do name the sources, but they didn't actually publish the physical evidence...,what they're quoting, what actually transpired. One of the bombshells in the article, they publish internal communications within the Society of St. Pius X....[reads from the article which claims the emails prove the Society is strategizing to protect the institution] She [Niles] proceeds to provide some juicy quotes from that correspondence....The problem is we don't have the full transcript of these emails. We don't know everything that was said in context. It could be totally proof text quoting to make them look evil...and we know that they hate the Society to begin with, so how are we supposed to believe that they are being impartial and just, quote unquote, wanting the truth....If they want us to believe that this correspondence is legit, they need to publish copies of the entire transcript so we can see it....
Church: The whole thing [what CM is doing] is creepy and it stinks.
Gaspers: One other thing that I really have to bring up.... In my opinion, one of the worst aspects of the article is that it actually pretty clearly implies that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre himself was complicit in creating a culture in the Society of perversion and coverup. This is absolutely disgusting.....[He was] probably the most prolific missionary bishop in the 20th century in Africa.
|Niles implies that Archbihsop Lefebvre is one of the "perverts" in her article. She describes the archbishop as "enamored" of a young priest whom he travelled to the U.S. to ordain.|
Church: Right, over a million baptisms and conversions in Africa under Archbishop Lefebvre....It's an outrage, that claim is outrageous.
Gaspers: What's sad about it, Mike, is that they can't even get some of the basic facts straight in this article. [Church and Gaspers go on to discuss Niles implying that Archbishop Lefebvre had a same-sex attraction toward a young priest by saying, "He was so enamored of the young priest...." that he went to the U.S. to ordain him. This is the kind of innuendo and slander so common to CM. Who else was supposed to ordain the priest given that it was 1980 and Archbishop Lefebvre didn't ordain the other bishops until 1988? He was the only one who COULD ordain the priest. The lack of integrity here spotlights CM's biased, sloppy, and slanderous reporting.] .... The long and short of it...[is] the allegations need to be thoroughly investigated...and independently verified....In my opinion...The real story is that CM hates the SSPX for some reason. They claim that they're schismatic and evil...so that's the motive where they're coming from. And they use whatever they can to malign the Society, so that's why everything has to be independently verified because they have a motive...and they reveal what they're trying to do with this article....They're trying to demonstrate that the Society is just as filthy and corruption-ridden as the rest of the mainstream Church and, therefore, no one should have anything to do with them.
Watch the entire video if you want to experience how grown-ups deal with serious issues. Their discussion about CM's hate for the SSPX is fact-based and without rancor. As they push their agenda to destroy-the-SSPX (Good luck with that), CM spins facts with fantasy to paint the SSPX as the empire of Mordor. In the process, they have lost credibility and any reputation they once had for integrity and honesty!
Stay tuned. Next time I open this can of worms, it will be to discuss rules of evidence.