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Saturday, October 20, 2012

The Cardinal Sin: Criticizing Bishops

I'm grieving! There was Cardinal Dolan laughing it up with the most pro-abortion president in history at the Al Smith dinner and the other candidate who defends killing children on a lesser scale. And, oh, Cardinal Dolan made such a case defending sitting down with those with whom he disagrees, because if he only ate with saints he'd eat all his meals alone. But this honorable man hasn't always been so discriminating. In 2009, I just learned, the cardinal refused to attend a dinner hosted by Pro-Life Wisconsin. Why? Because Judie Brown, president  of American Life League, was the keynote speaker and Judie, (horrors!) criticizes the actions (and inactions) of the bishops!

So...Promoting the murder of babies in the womb by abortion and advocating infanticide of abortion survivors and forcing Catholics to cooperate in intrinsic evil doesn't disqualify a dinner guest for Cardinal Dolan, but daring to call the bishops to do their duty makes a PRO-LIFE CATHOLIC who's spent her life defending the unborn persona non grata.

Ah...but Cardinal Dolan says Judie criticized the bishops and Cardinal Dolan is an honorable man...So are they all, all honorable men.

Let us weep for our beloved Church.


Jane Hargadon said...

As usual, outstanding journalism!

Caroline said...

Mary Ann, I'm grieving and praying with you..The picture alone describes the condition of our church; worth a thousand words as they say. +

Anonymous said...

Yes, If Card. Dolan would remember that "a picture paints a thousand words."

Anonymous said...

Mary Ann,
We need prayers for all our bishops. So the good ones will stay good and
the bad ones will get good.

Unfortunately my own is front and center because he he is President of
the Bishops Conference.

Where is a John Cardinal O'Connor when you need him. Or a Raymond Leo
Cardinal Burke, who we wanted here in NY. Even though we have always had
an Irish bishop we would have loved Bishop Bruskewitz.

BTW It was not just Barry that should not have been at that dinner there
was the Gov. of NY Adulterer with live in and promoter of SGM bill being
shoved down our throats, as well as the Michael Bloomberg. Then there
was Katie Curic and Chris Matthews along with a bunch of other media
people who should not have been there.

I would give to the cause, if I had the money I could not sit down to
dinner with that lot.

Did not make up for the wrong in inviting him, but the sermon at the end
about Religious Liberty certainly was not something that the evil one
wanted to hear.

I think the problem is that our bishops have a problem that is passed on
to too many people, especially our young. That problem is what Mother
Angelica calls, "lack of discernment". It might be some what excusable
in the young, not in our bishops.

So many many of them are liberal thinking and do not know that the
Democrats have gone Socialist if not Communist.

I find it inexcusable that the bishops wanted Obamacare, as long as
abortion, forced paying for contraception, morning after
contraception(aka abortion), and stirlization was left out. The whole
thing is immoral, indecent, I think illegal and most certainly
unconstitutional. Everyone will have rationed care, especially those
over 60, but all. They say no, but Sarah Palen was right about the death

It is hard to understand why those bishops do not see that. But, no

We all need prayers, covert to the truth those that need it, especially
the bishops and us to cope with their errors.

In His Love And Discernment,


Anonymous said...

You are 100% correct Mary Ann, thanks,


Anonymous said...

As always, you are right on target. I agree with EVERYTHING you said. Many of our Bishops and Priests are afraid to "offend anyone" by speaking the Truth.........but they sure don't mind offending Jesus by failing to Defend LIFE. Until every Bishop and Priest in Our Country speaks out boldly and passionately in defense of Life, the killing of innocent babies in the womb will continue. As Catholics and with Our Lord's help, we have the power to overturn Roe V. Wade.........but it can't happen until ALL of our Bishops and Priests truly live and profess from the Pulpit the Gospel of Life.

God Bless You!


Anonymous said...

But it was all done for money for charity dining with the Devil.

Anonymous said...

Wonder what post dinner "bounce" O rec'd among Catholics! Keep fighting the good fight.

Anonymous said...

Well, Pope John Paul II, who is considered for sainthood did not refuse to see judy Brown of the American Life League. He fact I had a angel pin blessed by him for Judy Brown. Miracles happened while I was wearing it. Perhaps it is time to get another one blessed by this Pope, Benedict XVI if they still have them.

Anonymous said...

One of the reasons I like Judy Brown is that the American Life League was one of the first Catholic groups who ever sent me the truth about abortion. St. Paul also said that we should not even have a meal with those who call themselves Christian and do not act like it as far as their moral values are concerned. Of course, there are exceptions, but it certainly does seem improper to be laughing it up while all the babies are dying from some of these politician's policies.

Anonymous said...

He was an assistant to Cardinal Burke now in Rome. when both were in St. Louis. I think you should post an email address or snail mail address for Cardinal Burke to get on Dolan's case. Dolan went from doing a good job for Burke to trying to rehabilitate Weakland in Milwaukee to trying to have it both ways like the Junker class under Hitler.


P.S. All communications should cc Dolan.

Dymphna said...

He refused to eat at a dinner withe Judie Brown? I'm stunned.

Anonymous said...

My post today at 6:49 PM she read, "In fact I had an angel pin ..." Sorry for the typo.

Anonymous said...

I would like to remind all of us of a statement from Archbishop Sheen: "It is time for the laity to exhort our bishops to be shepherds rather than politicians, to walk in the footsteps of Jesus who rebuked the politically-motivated religious leaders of his day as "white sepulchers ... full of dead men's bones."

Jim Fritz

Anonymous said...

I watched Cardinal Dolan at the Youth 2000 summer event. He is a politician; we need a shepherd. We pray daily for our priests.


Joseph D'Hippolito said...

You know, I have no faith that Pope Benedict or his successor will pick non-politicians as bishops. First, bishops of major sees have acted as politicians for at least a millenium, if not longer. Second, the Church's structure encourages careerists and the attitude of institutional entitlement they manifest. Third, Rome makes no effort to discipline bishops (cf, Wuerl in D.C. regarding Canon 915). Finally, a theology that considers priests as "alter Christi" and bishops as "successors of the apostles" fosters the seeds of institutional arrogance, corruption and isolation.

Jeanne Holler said...

The picture says it all!
The Holy Catholic Church is in trouble and we do need a Shepherd and not a politican ....
We need Bishops and Priests who will stand up for LIFE and Proclaim the COMPLETE TRUTH .
Drive out the moneychangers ...don't sit down and have dinner with them .
God have mercy !

Steve "scotju" Dalton said...

Mary Ann, what is even sadder is the way many Catholic bloggers are defending Dolan's actions. They are acting like Dolan pulled off some major coup against Obama when nothing of the sort happened. Michael Voris slammed it for the sham that it was and Donald McClarey of The American Catholic attacked Voris for his criticism of Dolan. What is wrong with these people? Can't they see the emperor (or Cardinal) has no clothes?!

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Here's a comment about the fiasco in Milwaukee under Weakland (an appropriate name, if there ever was one) from It reinforces my point:

Narcissists come in both homo- and heterosexual versions. They are attracted to the clergy, because they can be the center of attention and manipulate other people. Within the clergy, they tend to rise to the top, because they want more attention and more opportunity to manipulate people.

That comment alone, I think, explains Dolan's behavior vis-a-vis Pres. Obama and Judie Brown.

Anonymous said...

“The road to Hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lamp posts that light the path.”
St. John Chrysostom

“I do not think there are many among Bishops that will be saved, but many more that perish.”
St. John Chrysostom

“The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.”
St. Athanasius

“It must be observed, however, that if the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly.”
St. Thomas Aquinas

“Augustine says in his Rule: ‘Show mercy not only to yourselves, but also to him who, being in the higher position among you, is therefore in greater danger.’ But fraternal correction is a work of mercy. Therefore even prelates ought to be corrected.”
St. Thomas Aquinas

Monica said...

Ever since I saw Cardinal Dolan on video nodding during the intentions mentioning gender equality, read that he danced with the founder of Cosmopolitan Magazine on the steps of a high school, was the head of Catholic Relief Services at the time they had abortion affiliations, left New York during the vote to destroy marriage because his "political allies" told him not to worry and came into Mass waving at everyone through the whole procession I have been concerned and yes, we are praying for him.

Steve "scotju" Dalton said...

Bravo, bravo Anon at 10/22/12 11:51 PM!

servo said...

Get a life Joey. You are the single most tiresome anti-Catholic troll on the internet. You really think you're some activist doing good by sniveling on blogs? I honestly pity you.

turkeyridge said...

I cannot imagine anything worse than dying out of grace and spending eternity dining with cardinals and bishops, both clergy and lay leadership---and not a few "catholic" politicians!

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Get a life Joey. You are the single most tiresome anti-Catholic troll on the internet. You really think you're some activist doing good by sniveling on blogs? I honestly pity you.

Perhaps I'm "tiresome" because I tell the truth -- and you don't want to hear it?

Besides, what are you doing about the problem, outside of mocking those who address it?

Mary Ann Kreitzer said...

But priests and bishops ARE alter Christi and successors of the apostles. Jesus Himself made it so when He gave them the power to insitute the Eucharist and to forgive sins and hold them bound.

The fact that many priests and bishops are unworthy and behave badly doesn't change that. It may, however, indidcate that the evil one targets them especially hard.

And when I look at holy bishops like Fulton Sheen and the Lion of Muenster Clemens von Galen, and the many priest and bishop martyrs like Ignatius of Antioch and Miguel Pro, Edmund Campion and all the English priests drawn and quartered -- well, they certainly followed Jesus more faithfully than most of us will ever be called on to do.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Mary Ann, I don't deny for one minute that the Church has had thousands, if not millions, of holy priests and bishops. But human nature remains human nature. Any theology that encourages a hyper-spiritual status for leadership will inevitably be used to justify those leaders' corruption -- if not on the leaders' part, then on the part of their sycophants and ignorant laity.

Does that mean you junk the theology? Or, rather, does it mean that the Church develop effective means of internal discipline, and a governing structure that discourages careerism and entitlement?

Then again, the Church doesn't really care about the latter because too many of the bishops are cut from the same cloth. Why does Cdl. Wuerl get away with ignoring Canon 915, for example? Because he can. He knows that Pope Benedict will not discipline him, because that aspect of the current pope's vocation does not fit his agenda (ditto JPII).

That's why I can say the Church doesn't really care about abortion, contraception, etc. If it did, it would act as if it did; i.e. Wuerl would be ordered to implement Canon 915 on pain of excommunication.

You know why the Church doesn't care about abortion? Because people like Wuerl and Dolan are more interested in maintaining their access to and influence on political bigwigs. But what good is that influence if it's not used, or used ineffectively?

Wuerl and Dolan would have felt quite at home in Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's foreign ministry 75 years ago. Appeasement, not integrity, is the password for the USCCB -- and, I dare say, for the Vatican, as well.

Mary Ann Kreitzer said...

The Church is indefectible, so whatever problems we have relate to the sins of men. And of course that problem is as old as Judas.

Unfortunately, clericalism is alive and well in the Church, but again, that is a problem of men and of laity who let them get away with it. I think of all the poor parents who let lying bishops convince them not to contact the police about the crimes against their children.

One think I think all laity need to do during this year of faith is read the Vatican II document Apostolicam Actuositatem, the Decree on the Apostolate of the Laity.

A question for you: Do you have any specific recommendations for solving the problems you see? And, by the way, are you a Catholic? I'm curious about servo's comment. If you are not, then you hardly are an appropriate voice for change.