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Sunday, May 19, 2013

My God Have Mercy on Us: Human Cloning Begins

Barbaric: Scientists Clone Human Embryo for the First Time
The cloning technique used by scientists at Oregon Health and Science University (OHSU) and the Oregon National Primate Research Center was a version of somatic cell nuclear transfer, the method used to create Dolly. The researchers transferred the nucleus of a cell that contained a person's DNA into an egg that no longer had its nucleus. After stimulation, some of the embryos developed to a stage where they produced stem cells. 
Daniel Sulmasy, a professor of medicine and a bioethicist at the University of Chicago, told National Public Radio (NPR), "This is a case in which one is deliberately setting out to create a human being for the sole purpose of destroying that human being. I'm of the school that thinks that that's morally wrong no matter how much good could come of it."
And it happened here in the U.S. in the state of Oregon, the same state that legalized assisted suicide in 2009. I feel the way I did the day Roe v. Wade was announced. Murder of the babies just took an exponential leap. And the culture of death is moving into an entire new ring of hell where the demons howl with glee over the descent into barbarism by "scientists" playing God.

Penance, penance, penance.

The war against life creates ripples of evil that will touch every aspect of our society. Please atone for this atrocity by doing penance specifically in atonement.


Terry Nelson said...

This is very disturbing... tending towards catastrophe.

Christian said...

You do know that the egg that they are using to do this cloning is unfertilized right?

Mary Ann Kreitzer said...

Does that make a difference? If you have a technological method to "fertilize" the egg and make it grow into an embryo, you still have a human embryo. Cloning Dolly made another Dolly. If the embryo were allowed to grow to the toddler stage or the teen stage or the adult stage would he/she be any less human? They are cannibalizing these children for their stem cells so the child dies at a very early stage, but it is still killing.

Technology can be a blessing or a curse. In this case, it's a curse

Christian said...

No they would be human, but this method does not open the way towards human cloning. That is another topic totally to what has been achieved here.

But how does killing my own cells any different to losing skin cells. After all for example my DNA is what I would implant into this egg cell and then the stem cells created could get used in therapy for me and only me specifically.So technically I am killing myself, but is this possible if I am still alive and well?

Mary Ann Kreitzer said...

So if I kill Dolly 2 I'm really killing Dolly 1. Or I'm not killing Dolly at all since Dolly 1 and Dolly 2 are really one and the same. This sounds like circular reasoning to me. If I'm the farmer with the two sheep and one gets killed, I only have one left no matter whether the sheep was produced sexually or asexually.

A skin cell is certainly not the same as a cloned embryo. If the asexually reproduced embryo were allowed to grow, it would become the twin of the original adult from which it was cloned - like Dolly the sheep. You seem to be saying that killing Dolly 2 is not really killing since Dolly 2 came from Dolly 1. I think the farmer might disagree.

Christian said...

I agree with you, but we are talking about cell lines here that are not fully grown adults.

And like I have pointed out before, this technology does not allow the cloning of humans. So this embryo would be useless if not used to create stem cells for the donor of the DNA. And I say useless as I mean it cannot develop into a new human.

Christian said...

This is a link to my post about this interesting and dynamic research.

Mary Ann Kreitzer said...

The process used to clone Dolly the sheep resulted in her "copy", a sheep. To say, as your blog post at I am an atheist does, that the embryonic clones are just "stem cell lines" is, I think, a little dishonest. The technology does not exist (yet) for scientists to grow these embryos to adults in the lab, but human embryos are human embryos. Since they ARE human (not carrots or cantaloupes or even sheep) they are growing humans at a very early stage of development for the purpose of cannibalizing their stem cells.

You can try to dehumanize the tiny embryos by calling them "cell lines" but that doesn't change what they are, tiny embryonic humans. It is true they cannot grow to birth until science develops artificial wombs (or they are implanted in a woman's womb), nevertheless they are human, they are alive, and they are growing.

Since this is the same technology that produced Dolly the sheep, clearly the embryos are, like the original "donor", human with the potential to grow through all the stages from embryo to fetus to infant to toddler to teenager to adult. That they are killed at an early stage doesn't change the reality of who they are.

As for your statement about the scientist being "God" if he "created" these stem lines, that is simply silly. He didn't create anything from nothing, he simply misused his God-given talents to manipulate life. "Playing God" would be more accurate.

We come from completely different world views. I believe a loving God created me, that He is intimately involved in my life, that He loves me so much I have a particular guardian angel as my spiritual twin and guide. You, I presume, believe that nothing created everything, that there is no God who loves you, that you have no purpose or existence beyond this life.

Frankly, I'd rather be me. You seem like a sincere person, and I'm praying for you. Life is hard enough; I find it depressomg to imagine living it without God.

Christian said...

I agree with you our viewpoints come from vastly different places. I used to be a believer, but left it long ago. But that is another issue all together which is not relevant here.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it. Good luck in the future.

Mary Ann Kreitzer said...

Before you go, Christian, I'm curious about one thing. Is your name really Christian or did you choose it to be ironic?

Christian said...

Hi, my name is really Christian, it comes from my German grandfathers side of the family "Christiaan".

Mary Ann Kreitzer said...

Well I'm German too on my father's side. My dad's ancestors were from the Alsace-Lorraine region which may explain why our family is Catholic rather than Lutheran.

My grandfather was an organist at St. James in Cleveland for many years and had a well-respected boy's choir. He also played in movie houses during the silent movie era. Isn't that a mix of vocations? LOL!

Well, with a name like Christian, you are definitely being pursued by the Hound of Heaven who must have had a hand at your chistening. I am praying that we one day meet merrily in heaven! God is so good and so merciful!