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Friday, October 13, 2017

Here's What Happened after the March 25, 1984 Consecration of Russia

Yes, Russia is Consecrated!


The contents of this post is one part of a four part article from the link above.

Russia was converted from Communism to relative Freedom of Religion. Its conversion is ongoing and free. God respects the free will of men. They have freedom to convert or reject the faith. Our Lady never said that Russia would be converted to Catholicism. She said simply that it would be converted and a period of peace would be given to the world. (Peace, as in there was NOT a nuclear war in 1984-85 as Lucia had feared.)

If you examine the Historical Events that took place leading to the final dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) it would be impossible for you not to see that God’s hands were involved in the dismantling of the Soviet Union. Beginning on May 13, 1984 just two months after the pope made the consecration in Rome, an explosion took place at the naval base in Russia! Read the timeline below.

On March 25, 1984, Pope John Paul II Consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as asked by Our Lady at
Fatima.  Note: This was also 100 years after the Vision of Pope Leo XIII on October 13, 1884, which was exactly 33 years (span of Our Lord's life) to the day, prior to the great Miracle of the Sun at Fatima on October 13, 1917.  Pope Leo XII had a locution hearing Satan and Jesus conversing. Satan boasted to Jesus he would destroy his Church and was granted 100 years to try and destroy God’s Church. It was after this that the pope composed the prayer to St. Michael, which was prayed after each Mass at the foot of the altar.

After the Consecration, here are the historical events leading to the dissolution of the Soviet Union

May 13, 1984 One of the largest crowds in Fatima history gathers at the shrine to pray the Rosary for peace.

May 13, 1984  An explosion at the Soviet Severomorsk Naval Base destroys two-thirds of all the missiles stockpiled for the Soviets’ Northern Fleet. The blast also destroys workshops needed to maintain the missiles as well as hundreds of scientists and technicians. Western military experts called it the worst naval disaster the Soviet Navy has suffered since WWII. 

December 13, 1984  An explosion in Siberia destroyed Russia’s largest ammunition base

December 19, 1984  Soviet Defense Minister Marshal Ustinov, mastermind of the invasion plans for Western Europe, suddenly and mysteriously dies. 

December 22, 1984  Three days later December 22 Marshal Sodolov, the 2nd Minister of Defense died.

March 10, 1985  Soviet Chairman Konstantin Chernenko dies.

March 11, 1985  Soviet Chairman Mikhail Gorbachev is elected.

April 26, 1986  Chernobyl nuclear reactor accident. A little known fact is that Chernobyl in Ukrainian is translated as Wormwood.
                         Rev. 8:10-11: The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water – the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

May 12, 1988  Fatima Vigil - An explosion wrecked the only factory that made the rocket motors for the Soviets’ deadly SS 24 long-range missiles which carry ten nuclear bombs each.

August 29, 1989  Sister Lucia affirms that the consecration “has been accomplished” and that “God will keep His word.” correspondence http://www.fatimaconference.org/documents/SisterLuciaresponse.pdf

November 9, 1989  Fall of the Berlin Wall - the picture below is a portion of the Berlin Wall donated to the Fatima Sanctuary as part of a thanksgiving for Our Lady of Fatima’s role (and many, many rosaries being prayed) in helping bring about the fall of Communism.




Nov-Dec 1989  Peaceful revolutions in Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania

1990  East and West Germany are unified

August 19, 1991  74th Anniversary of Our Lady's fourth apparition at Fatima – Communist coup attempts the overthrow of Gorbachev who contributed largely to the dismantling of the Soviet Empire.

August 22, 1991  Feast of the Queenship of Mary - The attempt of the Communist coup to return to hard Communism is defeated.

October 12 – 13, 1991  First Russian Pilgrimage to Fatima: Archbishop Tadeusz Kondrusiewicz, Roman Catholic Archbishop from Moscow, leads the first Russian pilgrimage group to Fatima. It is televised in Russia on 150 stations and 350 radio stations. Fr. Robert Fox, Director of Fatima Family Apostate, is asked to be present in Fatima with the Russian group.

December 1991  Gorbachev meets the Pope in the Vatican a second time; diplomatic relations were opened between the Vatican and Russia and Latin-rite churches were opened in Russia.

December 8th, 1991  Feast of the Immaculate Conception. There begins the Commonwealth of Republics, the end of the USSR. Twelve days later Yeltsin of Russia met with the Pope at the Vatican.

December 25, 1991  Dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The Communist flag is taken down for the last time over the Kremlin in Moscow. Gorbachev resigned and sent a letter to Pope John Paul II. Fifteen republics were freed from Communism.

December 30, 1991  Sister Lucia is reported saying that the defeat of Communism was through Mary's intercession.

Now back to me - So there you have historical proof of true facts of the fall of the USSR. Peacefully. With no bloodshed. Not one drop of blood from a war. 

One can argue back and forth about letters that were typed or hand written, impostor Sister Lucys, who said/says this, who said/says that, whether the Vatican was withholding part of the Fatima secret that the world demanded to know and so on...and on and on. 

Argue all you want, but first refute these historical events as not having happened by the hand of God as a direct response by Him to Pope John Paul II's Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984.


26 comments:

Diane said...

Russia was not specifically consecrated therefore it was not consecrated. Our Lady didn't ask for Russia to be hinted at. Whatever you call this period we are going through nobody could call it peace. I can't explain the events in Russia but they surely have little to do with a hinted consecration that not all the bishops participated in. How much honour is there for the Blessed Mother when her instructions are not followed exactly? It boggles the mind that they never have been and it is now 100 years later!

Karen said...

Our Lady asked for the consecration of Russia, not the consecration of the world which includes Russia, and also it was supposed to be done in union with all the bishops of the world. That has NOT been done! I don't know why people can't understand that Our Lady is very specific. If Our Lady said Russia would be converted and she didn't say to Catholicism, what would they be converted to? Do you really suppose she meant another religion? Or a halfway Catholicism. Believe me, communism is alive and well in Russia; it just has a different look. The KGB has a different name. But communism is still alive and well in Russia. This really doesn't take much brainpower to see that Russia was not consecrated in union with all the bishops of the world, Russia is not Catholic, and the world is definitely not at peace. Also, Russia is still spreading her errors throughout the world. Soon if the Muslims keep taking over Europe, there will be nations that will be annihilated. All one has to do is look around. Our own country is getting closer to a civil war every day. If Our Lady promised peace, I don't think it includes the pope prelates destroying the Faith, homosexuality and STDs on the rise, abortion continuing unabated and Korea and Iran getting closer to nuclear detonation every day.

RUSSIA WAS NOT CONSECRATED!!!!

Martin Blackshaw said...

The one vital ingredient left out of the timeline is the conversion of Russia to the Catholic religion, the true Church of Our Lord on earth!

What happened instead was that the Orthodox church in Russia assumed religious superiority and began to supress any and all forms of Catholicity, going so far at one point in the 1990s as calling a televised broadcast of Pope John paul II into the country "an invasion of Russia".

Everything that has happened in Russia since 1984 has been orchestrated by the Russian authorities to lull the West into a false sense of security. Consider any Western Government today and the first thing you'll find is that it is first atheistic, what they prefer to call "secular" today. In every Western country the laws of God are trampled underfoot while the most horrific evils are enshrined in law. It's as Our Lady warned "Russia will spread her errors..."

Pope John Paul II made it quite clear in his Consecration Act of 1984 that he WAS NOT consecrating Russia. The Pope inserted an unscripted line at the end that reads "Enlighten especially that nation whose consecration you still await from US". It doesn't get clearer than that.

We are presently living through the worst apostasy from God that the Christian world has ever encountered. The Church is in deep crisis and the world teeters daily on the brink of nuclear war, and yet we are told that this is the time of peace Our Lady promised. Foolish, foolish Catholics, viewing events through natural instead of supernatural eyes. Russia has not been consecrated to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart, teh true religion is globally marginalised to practical non-existence, and the world is living anything but a time of holy peace. Lucifer is having a field day with the delusion!

EditorCT said...

Of course Russia has not been consecrated. It could not be more clear as other commentators here have demonstrated.

And if consecrating the world suffices because Russia is in the world, why did the bishops of various other countries insist on consecrating their nations to Our Lady? Only recently, the Bishops of Scotland, where I live, consecrated Scotland, by name, to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart.

It's ridiculous to imply that Our Lady either didn't mean it or made a mistake when she asked specifically for the consecration of Russia. If she'd wanted the world to be consecrated, my guess is that she would have said so - and I'm no genius!

Guest said...

On June 13, 1929, in the Presence of the Most Holy Trinity, Our Lady said:

“The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father, in union with all the Bishops of the world, to make the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means. There are so many souls whom the Justice of God condemns for sins committed against me, that I have come to ask reparation: sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.” …

In the 1950s, Our Lady said to Sister Lucia:

"Make it known to the Holy Father that I am awaiting the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart. Without the consecration, Russia will not be able to convert, nor will the world have peace."

To this day, NO pope has ever ordered and made in union with all the bishops of the world the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

The late Fr. Gruner (eternal memory!) often said that God was withholding the graces necessary for the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary because Pope John XXIII refused to reveal the Third Secret (I.e. the exact words of Our Lady which follow: "In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved..." ). When the actual Third Secret IS revealed, THEN the Holy Father and the bishops will receive the graces they need to make the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

When i was little, a boy I knew wanted a puppy. His mom said: "Are you going to take care of him?" He said: "No." "Then you can't have him." The same principle applies here imho.

Susan Matthiesen said...

No one wants to explain why the events listed above happened except Diane and she said that she had NO explanation! My guess is that people avoid having to explain that the events leading up to the fall of Communism without one drop of blood was the hand of God working in the world. Because of the Consecration.

And Karen - the nation was converted from Communism to freedom. They are now free to choose Catholicism or not. Russian Orthodoxy or Catholicism, religion or atheism. They are not forbidden to practice religion as they were before when the only choice was atheism.

The Blessed Mother NEVER said that Russia would be converted to Catholicism. She simply said that "Russia would be converted", and now it is. From atheism to freedom. Remember, when Obama was president, the Russian people had more freedom of religion than we did.

Martin says "Foolish foolish Catholics, viewing events through natural instead of supernatural eyes." EXACTLY! So why can we not see the events listed in the post which lead to the fall of Communism in Europe through supernatural eyes? Communism fell without one drop of blood shed. No ground war. No nuclear war. The Berlin Wall came down. Anyone? Hand of God?...or is it ONLY SPECIFICALLY Russia that counts and nowhere else even though it was Russia who spread her errors to those other countries.

One comment said for me to stop with the foggy glasses; I also say the same to people who think the Consecration was not done: Foggy glasses! Take them off! Look at the world in all it beauty and glory, ugliness and shame. We have to try our best to deal with it.

Does anyone bother to Google any city in Russia today? They're not living in the 18th Century anymore, or even the 19th. Nor the 20th. Russian cities are like modern cities of the 21st century all over the world. They don't live in huts in the forest anymore.

Yekaterinburg - 4th largest city in Russia
https://www.ribttes.com/city-of-yekaterinburg-russia/

Perm - looks like London with its Ferris Wheel
http://www.connectingcities.eu/perm-the-city-as-a-campus/

Irkutsk
https://tropki.com/russia/irkutsk-region/irkutsk

And Editor CT - Aren't we supposed to reconsecrate ourselves to The Virgin Mary every year? Perhaps individual countries are doing the same thing ...especially in the light of Islamic attacks in every country in Europe. Rosary Crusade in Poland a few weeks ago? Islam. All of Europe, Canada and the US need to do likewise.

Mary Nagy said...

The express Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has not yet been done. This is literal and factual. The 1984 consecration did not have the full support of the Catholic College of Cardinals. This is one factor, though Pope John Paul the II attempted to comply with Our Lady’s wishes but was unsuccessful. The reason for the failure is the failure of the cardinals, who were cowardly. In fact, Our Lady in New York advised in the 1980s She was requesting all the Faithful write letters to the Pope and advise the Cardinals to ‘rescind the Vatican-Moscow Treaty’ of the 1960s. This was the secretive and undermining meeting collaboratively engineered by Vatican cardinals and Moscow representatives. In this meeting, the Council of Metz, the Vatican agreed not to make Russia ‘look bad’ during the Second Vatican Council, and agreed not to make the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, a big issue. This undermining effect and suppression of Our Blessed Mother’s wishes was collaboratively signed off on, by the collective college of Cardinals, and is the reason why the consecration of Russia was not done as Our Lady asked for, because the Vatican wanted to have Moscow’s accord and attendance at Vatican II. One of the bad fruits of not doing the Consecration as Our Lady asked for, is the infiltration of the church and world by communism, as in ‘liberation theology’ espoused by this papacy (Francis, who was well indoctrinated in and before his seminary days)...and also the anihilation of nations (as in the Ukraine, 1932 Holodomor and Rawanda, 1994, and other nations, many), and wars and rumors of wars. Who can make an educated argument against Our Lady? Even Raymond Cardinal Burke has changed his opinion and now KNOWS he was incorrect, and that the Consecration IS NOT DONE.

Mary Nagy said...

The express Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has not yet been done. This is literal and factual. The 1984 consecration did not have the full support of the Catholic College of Cardinals. This is one factor, though Pope John Paul the II attempted to comply with Our Lady’s wishes but was unsuccessful. The reason for the failure is the failure of the cardinals, who were cowardly. In fact, Our Lady in New York advised in the 1980s She was requesting all the Faithful write letters to the Pope and advise the Cardinals to ‘rescind the Vatican-Moscow Treaty’ of the 1960s. This was the secretive and undermining meeting collaboratively engineered by Vatican cardinals and Moscow representatives. In this meeting, the Council of Metz, the Vatican agreed not to make Russia ‘look bad’ during the Second Vatican Council, and agreed not to make the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, a big issue. This undermining effect and suppression of Our Blessed Mother’s wishes was collaboratively signed off on, by the collective college of Cardinals, and is the reason why the consecration of Russia was not done as Our Lady asked for, because the Vatican wanted to have Moscow’s accord and attendance at Vatican II. One of the bad fruits of not doing the Consecration as Our Lady asked for, is the infiltration of the church and world by communism, as in ‘liberation theology’ espoused by this papacy (Francis, who was well indoctrinated in and before his seminary days)...and also the anihilation of nations (as in the Ukraine, 1932 Holodomor and Rawanda, 1994, and other nations, many), and wars and rumors of wars. Who can make an educated argument against Our Lady? Even Raymond Cardinal Burke has changed his opinion and now KNOWS he was incorrect, and that the Consecration IS NOT DONE.

Mary Nagy said...

A final editing note, with a request to attach it to the first comment on this subject, is regarding the collective college of cardinals. Our Blessed Mother had made it a condition of complying with Her request for this said consecration, that the Consecration of Russia be done ON ONE DAY, By the POPE, in UNION with ALL the BISHOPS and CARDINALS of the World. We do know, that the consecration act of 1984 did not have the full support of the cardinalate, nor was it an event that included collaboratively all the bishops of the world. Again, we have at least ONE MAJOR AMERICAN CARDINAL, who is NOW AGAIN, not only a CANON LAWYER, leading the five cardinal DUBIA, but who is again part of the SIGNATURIA of all the cardinals, Raymond Cardinal Burke, who KNOWs that the CONSECRATION of Russia as Our Lady intended and asked for - HAS NOT BEEN DONE. This alone should make the writer of this blog, stop and examine her ill informed opinions and erroneous teachings.

Mary Nagy said...

This last comment, is simply to say, that the listing of events by the blog author, is well received, and while providing supernatural hope, for the Consecration to be done, Our Lady Herself said ‘it would be late’.

EditorCT said...

Susan,

If I were you, I'd stop digging.

The fact that Communism appears to have ended in Russia, needs to be balanced against the reality of life there. The top men in the Russian government are former KGB officers - they've moved the deckchairs around, but it's still the Titanic.

And there are quotes (which, unfortunately I don't have to hand nor do I have the time today to find them) which show that Russia is setting up the west with a false sense of security. Communist principles are not dead in Russia. Ask any of the investigative journalists murdered by the State. Oops, not possible, but you'll get my drift. Check out YouTube - I've seen documentaries on the subject on TV so there must be something on the internet. Putin, great Christian that he is, apparently orders the execution of anyone who dares to check up on him.

As for Our Lady not wanting or meaning that Russia would be converted to Catholicism, that is just beyond belief. You are saying, in effect, that "religious freedom" is a good thing, the right to choose what to believe, choose our own "religion", when Christ came to establish His Church in order to give us that one and only means of salvation. The Orthodox is a schismatic "church" - that is, it is no church at all. Anyone who is saved, whether they realise it or not, is saved through the Catholic Church but the Fathers of the Church have warned us that anyone who - knowing the claims of the Church to be the one ark of salvation for all - refuse either to enter or to remain in her, cannot be saved. NO way was Our Lady meaning that there would be some new political freedoms or the possibility of choosing a false religion. That any Catholic would even think that, would beggar belief were we not living through this time of unique crisis in the Church, when Modernist Catholics are more common that the old-fashioned kind who adhere to the entire teaching of the Church. Sure, there have been other times of crises but never one like this, never.

As for "Google any city in Russia" - are you not aware that the Russian people are certainly living as people in 21st century western nations, but, two things: Our Lady didn't come, any more than Our Lord came, to urge us to work for a better standard of living, the right to vote for competing political philosophies, that's number one. Secondly, pornography and abortion and other crimes are at an all time high in Russia. And you think this is what Our Lady wanted for Russia?

And to answer your question specifically addressed to me: Our Lady didn't ASK for us to re-consecrate ourselves to her each year; she didn't ASK for the consecration of the world. She specifically asked for the Consecration of Russia - Russia having been the first ever nation to publicly deny the very existence of God. Russia is the special instrument of salvation chosen by God, and relayed to us via His Mother, the nation which must be restored to divine and Catholic Faith in order to be the instrument intended by God, which He will use to give us the promised period of peace in the world. Christ did not die on the Cross, did not send His Mother to earth in 1917, to make us more worldly, or to change His teaching about the one, true Church, the one, holy Catholic and apostolic Church by which He extends His grace to mankind.

Clearly, Susan, with all due respect, you are not thinking, not remotely thinking, like a true Catholic.




Anyone who thinks we are living through a period of peace in the world, needs help.

Only last week, I listened to a very silly woman at a parish meeting trying to square the circle that the Consecration can't have been done, as there's no period of peace in the world, by saying - believe it or not - "Well, there's now peace in northern Ireland"

Clown!

Martin Blackshaw said...

Susan,

As I mentioned in my original comment, I think far too much attention is placed on natural appearances in respect to Russia than on the supernatural reality. You say Russia was converted from Communism to freedom. Well, the people of Russia have never been ablee to vote for anyone but Putin. Even when he apparently stepped down in accordance with the Constitution, he was still running Russia as Prime Minister. Medevedev was just a puppet President and everyone knew it. So no, there is no new freedom in Russia, it's still very tightly controlled and now in a new Cold War with the West.

Now, do you honestly believe that the Mother of God would speak of Russia's conversion without meaning the conversion of the souls in that country to the true religion and Church established by her Divine Son, outside of which there is no salvation? Do you honestly think the Blessed Virgin was speaking generally of freedom from a political ideology, rather than freedom from the darkness of religious and/or secularist error? For me, such a suggestion is a great insult to the Blessed Mother of God. Heaven's primary concern is the salvation of souls, not salvation from tyranical governments. You make the same mistake the Jewish zealots made during Our Lord's time on earth, who likewise thought the divine plan was to save the chosen people from the slavery of a ruthless occupier. You are clearly not viewing these matters through supernatural eyes.

By the way, just to give you an indication of how bad things are in the new "free" Russia. Fr. Fortunato di Noto is an Italian priest who runs an international organisation called "METER". it's an organisation that tracks child sexual abuse online and reports web sites to national police authorities. According to Fr. di Noto, 98% of the Internet Domains hosting child pornography are registered in Russia. I hope that statistic at least will open your eyes to the delusion that Russia is consecrated to Our Lady and converted.

Martin Blackshaw said...

Susan

I forgot to add that it was Lenin who first came up with the plan of a fake fall of Communism when the world was sufficiently secularised to fall for the ruse. Atheism would then step into the breach, minus the overtly oppressive element of past - Communism with a smiling face if you like - and take control of the entire world.

Once you understand from the teaching of the Popes before Vatican II that Communism is first a demonic ideology designed to eradicate Christianity from the face of the earth, then it's not too difficult to comprehend that it can very easily adapt its hellish programme and methods to Western Capitalism. I give you modern Communist China as a classic example. No, Communism didn't fall in 1989, it merely shifted tactics and began the process of infiltrating every Western government with atheistic, anti-God and anti-life principles which are now enshrined in our laws. In other words, Russia has spread its errors all over the world as Our Lady predicted. Or have you not noticed the apostasy going on these past forthy years, even in the Church?

Mary Nagy said...

+ Another ‘proof’ of ‘NO CONSECRATION’, yet, is found in an article JUST NOW, posted in National Geographic (October 15th, 2017, 2pm Eastern Standard Time) regarding the Soviet Union (SU). The article attests to the fact that (among many other invasive, pirating actions and attempts at world domination and power) the SU covertly studied all of the USA cities and other countries of the world, collecting facts about the details of streets, residences, and even the height and dimensions of buildings. These actions continue, and to what end, but towards one world domination, monetary power and religion? The world wars seen by mystics show entire portions of our country (75%) annihilated by bombing - What does this tell the author of this blog about the attested ‘fall of communism’ (internally found to be satanism) and the ‘state of world peace and accord’? We are NOT to be like ostriches, with our heads in the sand, hoping for the best - we have to live in a real world and continue to SEE the TRUTH, one of the tenets espoused in this blog writer’s blog title, ‘Les Femmes - for TRUTH’. Humbly submitted by ‘Mary’.
October 15, 2017 at 2:14 PM

susan said...

Susan, seriously?....

Russia: under the rule of a brutal KGB front-man who still regularly has journos and other people killed; the HIGHEST abortion rates in the world; communist ideology spread to all ends of the earth, including the seat of Peter(!); a tenuous 'freedom of religion' for them as long as it politically benefits Putin to allow it; their main prelate is/and always has been a KGB operative, and on and on and on.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/11/kgb-christians-putin-stalin-kgbs-history-manipulating-orthodox-church/

Our Lady was specific; it wasn't done, almost like a poke in the eye to her. Even +++Burke has admitted this. Russia has spread her errors, and the world is ready to fall....heck, people don't even know what male and female are anymore.

But hey....they have a ferris wheel.

Susan Matthiesen said...

Thank you for all your comments, both kind and humble ones (Mary), respectful ones, and even the ever snarky ones from Susan (comment above), whom I can out-snark any day of the week but I'm trying to be more charitable these days.

So - I am "not thinking like a true Catholic"? I know Martin Blackshaw said that respectfully, but it's kind of hard for this convert to "think like a true Catholic" when all the "real" Catholics are busy infighting about everything for the past 50 years.

So why doesn't a real Catholic, or several real ones, fly to Rome and arrange for PF to do the Consecration according to the highly detailed specifications they think will be accepted by Heaven, then we can all live happily ever after. The whole world will be Catholic and there will be peace, peace peace with only be sunshine and roses until the end of earthly time, in which case that Ferris wheel in Perm will come in handy.

The period of peace that we are living in is the one that NEVER had World War THREE - that is, the absence of WW III, the absence of tens of millions of people blown off the face of the earth by a Communist Russian nuclear war that did not happen in the late 1980s, early 1990s because the Consecration was done.

Meanwhile, for 30 years Catholics' attention has been divided and diverted by the devil over the Consecration and while thus preoccupied, the Muslims are coming. And they don't care about the Consecration. They want world peace through Islam.

When Christianity is eradicated from the face of the earth and all the world is Islamic Muslims think there will finally be peace. Have you any idea what that means? We get to choose between the religion of God - Christianity - or the religion of the devil - Islam. So time we got past cloak and dagger Communism of Lenin (100 years ago) and onto the equally evil battle of the next 100 years before us. Anyone been to Shelbyville, Tennessee lately? It's no longer a nice all American Tennessee town. It's filled with women walking around in burkas, polygamous men, and lots of Muslim children who will never be Catholics. (Hint: In Shelbyville, Communism isn't the problem. Islam is.)

"Consecration Not Done" Catholics can continue to tread water arguing, while ex-Protestant converts, apparently having no clue what they're doing, deal with Islam - the religion established by Satan.

I choose to move forward and battle against Islam. Real Catholics can continue to tread water arguing about something which has already been done but which they think hasn't.

Martin Blackshaw said...

Susan Matthieson,


First of all I apologise to one and all for the many typos in my previous posts. I really must try to keep my brain and fingers on the same track!

Now, nowhere in my previous comments did I declare that you are "not thinking like a true Catholic". What I said, in fact, is that you are viewing matters through natural rather than supernatural eyes and consequently reaching the wrong conclusions. Note the much more charitable and respectful tone of my actual words in comparison with your interpretation of them!

I maintain that you are viewing this matter from a purely natural mindset instead of the supernatural mindset of the Church, which places divine truth and the salvation of immortal souls above and before all else.

Your own comments throughout amply demonstrate that you cannot get past the material to see the spiritual, i.e., you consider the absence of world war III (thus far!)as evidence of that period of peace promised by Our Lady, yet overlook the millions of babies slaughtered in the womb annually in every so-called civilised country in the world, a holocaust of the innocents that began in Russia and spread to every corner of the globe. You speak of Islam as the new threat, yet overlook the fact that Islam has only arisen to become a threat since the post-Vatican II hierarchy of the Church started to propagate the condemned error of "Religious Liberty", thereby removing any and all obstacles to the spread of that religion all over the world. Indeed, the conciliar Popes themselves are regularly entering into Mosques and telling the Muslims that they are "the children of Abraham". What do you expect will happen when the very Successors of St. Peter are handing free reign to Islam against the infallible dogma 'extra ecclesiam nulla salus'?

The false ecumenism adopted at Vatican II, that great error which has caused millions of Catholics to fall into religious indifference, just as the pre-Vatican II Popes prophetically warned, originated in the Communist USSR. It was a well known tactic of the Communists, at a time when they were persecuting Christians at home, to promote international ecumenism as a method of weakening supernatural faith. After all, if Catholics are suddenly told that what they were taught for almost 2000 years is actually wrong and that inter-religious brotherhood is really pleasing to God, then naturally a very great number are going to lose faith in the Church and no longer trust her teaching. The same applies to all those non-Catholics who believe (erroneously) in their false religions. They too have lost all trust in what they were taught. The result is that everywhere Christians have lost contact with the truth and no longer have anything to fight for. Everyone is happy in the the new hippie paradise on earth, the ecumenical handcart to Hell, and the atheists are having a field day!

Ever asked yourself why so many Catholics have apostatised from the Church to become Muslims? Could it be that, evil as that religion is, it gives these people an apparent focus on God and eternity was taken from them when the Church Militant ceased to proselytise and turned instead to guitars, rainbow vestments and ecumenical love fests? This is the reason for the rise of Islam, as well as Western governments no longer identifying as Christian. I mean, this is basic stuff.

This concludes part I. I have been forced to split the comment into two parts due to word limitation. Part II is underneath.

Martin Blackshaw said...


PART II

Additionally, have you never wondered why it is that Russia, China and North Korea are relatively free of Islamic fundamentalism and the terrorist threat, the odd incident aside? Doesn't that intrigue you? Could it be that Russia and China at least are orchestrating much of the Islamic terror that we in the West live with every day? Or maybe it's down to our godless Western governments invading sovereign nations, reducing them to rubble and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the process in the name of Masonic democracy. On this point, Freemasonry and Communism are historically attached at the hip; same theoreticians, financiers and propagators. Interesting since Freemasonry has also long promoted false religious ecumenism.

As I said, you need to view these matters more deeply, more supernaturally in accordance with pre-Vatican II Magisterial teaching. What you see on a natural level means nothing, and so the absence of global war does not equate to peace by any manner of means. Indeed, the various horrors happening all around the globe right now quite obviously scream out to us that the time of peace promised by Our Lady for the world still evades us. Now why would that be?

This brings me to your rather flippant comment: "So why doesn't a real Catholic, or several real ones, fly to Rome and arrange for PF to do the Consecration according to the highly detailed specifications they think will be accepted by Heaven, then we can all live happily ever after."

First of all, there is nothing remotely detailed about Our Lady's request for the consecration of Russia. The Blessed Virgin made her request of the Pope and the bishops of the world very simple, so simple in fact that a child could understand. She said that the Pope, in union with the world's bishops, should publicly and solemnly consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart. Nothing "highly detailed" in this!

All Popes since John XXIII have resolutely refused to command the bishops of the world to join with them in such a unique public event naming Russia, this is a fact that cannot be denied or played down with side talk about other forms of consecration. John Paul II wanted to do it in 1984 but was advised against mentioning Russia because of the impact it would have on ecumenical relations between the Church and the Russian Orthodox. You see how the enemy is even in the Church at the highest level, whispering into the ear of the Pope that he should disobey Our Lady for human respect' sake?

In fine, forget the absence of global war and the rise of Islam for these manifestations are not all that they appear on the surface. Look deeper at the spiritual global war that's going on right now, the war between Our Lady and Lucifer, the final battle for souls. It's only at this level will you see what lies beneath the superficial demise of atheistic Communism and the real reason behind the rise of Islam.

One final point, if I may. When speaking of the chastisement revealed in the Third Secret, Sister Lucy said: "It's in the Bible, in Apocalypse chapters 8-13". And what do we find in those chapters? We find Our Lady entering into battle with the "great red dragon", "red" indicating the Communist scourge. Sister Lucy also revealed that the entire world would be enslaved by Communism, meaning its atheism, even the US. This is exactly what we find today, the entire world has turned against Christ and the most horrendous evils and affronts to the Most High are now being enshrined in law. This is where the battle ground is, on the religious/moral front. Islam is a side show, a demonic distraction!

Susan Matthiesen said...

"Red", as in indicating the devil.

Please explain the problem in Shelbyville Tennessee. Communism or Islam? Communist women don't have toms of children and dress in burkas. Communist men don't die for a god they don't believe in. There in Shelbyville, Islam is the problem, not Communism.

Islam has been trouble for 1400 years, long before 1917, Lenin, Communism and Vatican II. South America, being a hotbed of Communist activity, has no Islamic problem. And Central America's problem is all those evangelicals down there trying to convert Catholics, but not Islam...yet. They - Communism and Islam - are 2 entities of the devil, but today the threat is what we see right in our streets and neighborhoods overtaking our country before our eyes and we let it happen.

So you go off and fight Communists and Antifa and worry about the supernatural aspect of how great the world will be when the Consecration is finally done to be accepted by real ones, and I, only able to see naturally but not supernaturally, will go my way and fight what I see here on earth before my very eyes. Can you not see that the list of events in my original post happened supernaturally? Even I, not a real one, can see that.

Please explain to me the events in the original post and why you think they did not happen supernaturally.

Martin Blackshaw said...

Susan

"Islam has been trouble for 1400 years, long before 1917, Lenin, Communism and Vatican II."

And yet Our Lady of Fatima didn't mention Islam, she spoke of Russia and her errors! Once again, it comes to viewing the issue with supernatural eyes. Atheistic Communism has much more Christian blood on its hands than Islam, a conservatively estimated 20 million under Stalin alone. The there are all those little babies killed in the womb, a murderous agenda that spread all over the world from Russia.

You rightly point to local problems with Islam, for there are many of these in various countries. However, atheism is a global problem that has taken root in all the former-Christian countries of the West and has spread like a cancer destroying countless millions of immortal souls along the way through materialism. This is the urgent disease that needs to be addressed. Islam will then be brought under control, doubtless converted to Christianity once the consecration of Russia is accomplished and the restoration of all things in Christ finally commences in earnest.

One other thought. It's not Islam that's operating at the highest levels in the Church right now, it's atheism. You should read the testimony of the former Communist recruitment officer turned Catholic, Bela Dodd, to get more information on this. Atheism is the immediate threat to the world right now, Susan, not Islam, depsite appearances at a local level.

Martin Blackshaw said...

Susan

"Please explain to me the events in the original post and why you think they did not happen supernaturally."

Because supernatural events on such a scale would result in a magnificent restoration of Christianity in the world, and yet everything has become more atheistic and evil. Abortion has become more widespread, the homosexual agenda has gone global with a vengeance, wars are springing up everywhere, as are catastrophic natural disasters, governments are in-fighting and also at each others throats, pornography is everywhere, children are having their innocence taken through sex ed at increasingly younger ages, etc., etc. Truth is, what you see as a miracle the more informed Catholic recognises as a manipulation of events by godless men to lead the unwary astray. When divine grace does come down on this world there will be no mistaking the renewal and peace that comes with it as Christian!

Diane said...

Susan
I am so disappointed to see that you have not answered in any way the many arguments of people who do not believe the Consecration of Russia was done. You have even ignored the words of the Blessed Mother herself quoted by someone. What on earth do you think that signals? You have taken offence at something someone said about thinking like a Catholic (I don't know this person from Adam but it is pretty obvious to me that he meant no offence) and are riding it to death. It is troubling to see this. If the fact that 98% of internet domains hosting pedophiliac pornography are registered in Russia doesn't open your eyes I don't know what will. You are quite plainly wrong and should admit it.

Mary Nagy said...

+ Susan Matthiesen, you have explained to us in variance to the experience of many others posting perhaps (Martin, Susan, EditorCT, et al) you are not a ‘cradle Catholic’. You suggest this as a reason to ‘claim an exemption from viewing reality’. In truth, you ‘want’ to believe in a pure and holy church and cardinalate and papacy, and you ‘want’ to believe in a gradual decline of communism with the 1984 consecration of the world, and you have posted events that suggest it is so. Next, you falsely categorize those of us who ARE cradle Catholics and have LIVED through this for the past 50plus years, and know these consecrations were compromises and incomplete. You further insult us, in being disrespectful of our experiences and work, OR, you are simply unaware of all the faithful who have done precisely what you are accusing us of NOT doing. Many of us have written, visited Rome and our pastors, and pleaded endlessly to insert truth into our Catholic faith for decades. We have taken many other actions in faith and in charity to comply with what Our Blessed Mother is asking for as the remedy. In fact when Our Lady came and asked for the consecration of ‘RUSSIA’, the advance of the communist masonic infiltration of nations, state and church was well under way. True, the five or so world consecrations done in the 1940s and 1984, had some good effect. They were limited, and again, they were ultimately a compromise and not what Our Lady asked for, for sure. It is surprising you refuse to see this, especially in light of all the information you are being given with these posts. Are you aware of the Coptic Orthodox bishop martyred, slain by an Islamist in Egypt on October 13th? The assaults against Our Lady, Christ and Their seed continue, exactly as you are siting, in your citation about the Southern USA town. Our Lady has a specific remedy, and we did not invent it, She does. In humility, again, please look at the facts, and not what you ‘want’ to believe. The Consecration She asked for, has not been done, of RUSSIA. (No one is disputing some of the good effects that came out of previous consecrations, however it is you, not the other persons, posting comments and facts, that are refusing to look at reality.) As for Islam, Heaven’s visit to Fatima includes Her mission, implied message, and plan for Islam’s conversion, and it is through Our Lady, as Fatima was name of the daughter of Islam’s leader. As Martin suggests, if you take a more spiritual, supernatural view of Heaven’s actions, you will see the plan, (and not your own views. Your own opinions are in variance to Heaven’s plan for our salvation,) and how Our Lady plans to include and complete Islam, by means of the specific consecration She asks for, not us, - we are only trying to be Her obedience children, and not propose our own plan. You would do well to follow HER plan and not your own deliberations, consternations and argumentation against us who post our corrections to you. Humbly submitted, Mary PS O by the way, it is not an ‘either/or’ about ‘Shelbyville’, Islam or Communism, it is both. Islam AND Communism created this scenario of reality. And without the said Consecration of Russia, the scenario will get much, much worse.

susan said...

Susan, once again....seriously?

saying "foggy glasses", and using your own example in a legitimate rhetorical display of absurdum reductio isn't snark.....it's revelatory plain speaking.

Now THIS is snark.....

"So why doesn't a real Catholic, or several real ones, fly to Rome and arrange for PF to do the Consecration according to the highly detailed specifications they think will be accepted by Heaven, then we can all live happily ever after. The whole world will be Catholic and there will be peace, peace peace with only be sunshine and roses until the end of earthly time, in which case that Ferris wheel in Perm will come in handy."

You're sounding self-defensive and angry in the midst of multiple well-made arguments and points; few of which you've actually addressed, but rather gone ad hominem (at least on me)...but I don't mind. I just think it cheapens the discourse, particularly when you've made two assertions in the past week as 'fact', that many people aren't swallowing any more, having been fully "woke" in the past few years by the work of powers and principalities in high places.

Did it ever occur to you (and to the otherwise well-reasoned Martin) that we could be threatened by two very serious, spiritually conjoined enemies at the same time....islam AND communism? There are myriad examples of atrocities committed by both, across the globe; and myriad examples of the exponential growth of both. They are Siamese twins, joined at the hip....fellow travelers in doctrine, method, and goal. And the reason they are BOTH making such horrible inroads and burning down the world is because the Church is no longer doing what She has been tasked by Christ to do. "Proselytism is solemn nonsense!" and evangelization is now "a grave sin against ecumenism"....or so we're told. Funny enough, by the same guys who tell us that Russia's already been consecrated, and that the woman who looked NOTHING like the Lucia of Fatima was in fact Sr. Lucy (don't believe your lyin' eyes though, and take the nice blue pill). Well for many of us, the time has come to say 'no more'. We won't be quiet while Christ is mocked and His Church is torn down.

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susan said...

Cont...

Our Lady gave very specific instructions to her Son's vicars, and she laid down very clear consequences for the failure to carry out her requests. We're living thru them, because from John XXIII on, they've all poked a finger in her eye. I simply don't understand how you can describe the fire-ball we're now living on, as being in a state of unprecedented peace. Islam is indeed on the march and ascension; the Middle East is torn to shreds and more Christian martyrs have been made in the past century than in any other historical era; Europe is falling without a fight to islam largely BECAUSE of secular humanistic socialism; Communism is resuscitated...Venezuelans are eating corpses (!), Cuba's atrocities are intensifying, China is doubling down (and outright strangling the Church there); easily half of the US congress are 'fellow travelers', encouraging the likes of "Occupy", "Antifa", "BLM", and other vile Soros funded anti-American, anarchist, communist front groups; NK (communists!) is ready AND ABLE to set off a massive EMP (nuke) over our country that has the capability to kill 90% or our population within a year; earthquakes, record-setting hurricanes, mutiple 'mega-volcanoes' rumbling and fuming for the first time in multi-millenia; terrorism of multiple stripes; ‘transgenderism’ and the destruction of the family; and on and on. And it's ALL because the Church isn't doing what She's been tasked to do by her Divine Founder and Bridegroom. Read Jeremiah.

Yeah....it's supernatural....you better believe it's supernatural! And part of our fight (perhaps the biggest and most important part), as sad as it is, but needs-be it is, is against fellow "Christians" and 'c'atholics.....those who would make a mockery of the Sacraments and Christ’s own words (particularly now regarding marriage); those who would seek and work to sanctify sodomy and other sexual abominations; those who would put pornographic, homo-erotic murals above altars in cathedrals; those who would remake the Sacred Deposit of Faith in their own image; those who would deny the reality of souls in hell; those who would doubt and deny Our Lady at her word. We've been living in the slow slide in earnest for a little over half a century now, happily bathing in the ever-heating water, until four and a half years ago, when many of us were jolted out of our somnambulance. We will never defeat islam or communism or any other infernal ‘ism’ until we start doing what we’ve been tasked by Christ to do, and haven't been doing for a loooong time now..….Matt 28:19-20

Yeah…the consecration AS REQUESTED would start a supernatural, spiritual avalanche. To belittle it, and to debase people who believe it (as you did at 12:24) is unconscionable in my estimation, and would include one of the last descent men standing, ++Burke, who said, “It is evident that the consecration (of Russia) was not carried out in the manner requested by Our Lady.” We ignore her at her own peril…and the longer we ignore her, the further we descend. And the further we descend, the harder it is to climb out of the pit, and the more clearly looms that third world war you claim has “NEVER” happened. Never’s a long time Susan; and ‘never’ hasn’t happened……….yet.

Mary Ann Kreitzer said...

Hi Folks,

I'm closing down the comments here. Many GOOD people disagree on the consecration taking the "Yes, the consecration has been done." or "No, the consecration has not been done." position. There is no ex cathedra statement on Fatima. People are looking at the facts and coming to different conclusions. Even the saints came to different conclusions, sometimes conclusions that were in error. Pope John Paul II supported Marcel Maciel; St. John Vianney did not believe in the apparitions at La Salette for a time. Let us pray for one another that the Holy Spirit, through the intercession of the Blessed Mother, will enlighten our minds, help us to know the truth, and fill us with love for one another.

I did not post one comment here because I thought it was an ad hominem. I respect Susan and I know she believes she is interpreting the facts correctly. There are many clergy who agree with her. I also respect the folks from Catholic Family News who do NOT believe the consecration has been done. There are many clergy who agree with them. We are all brothers and sisters and our disagreements need to be respectful. I think this conversation has, for the most part, been respectful, but at this point I think everyone has had their say and I only see the conversation deteriorating so I'm shutting it down. God bless you all.